Statue of the Unsung

[myahele]

Don't looklikeit follows theshape of the horn


Also, the gold things seem to be Allagan Tech (similar to what we see on Proto Ultima) that seem to fuse and probably bind/ control him

[Nalien]

Are we sure of this? and does the tech follow the exact shape of the horn, or is it a sheath with its own shape?

It's easier to tell on the furnishing, the gold is Allagan augmentation, while the rest is presumably original Bahamut. Better if you can go look at one in game, but it distinctly has horns that curve back from his head/face while the Allagan augmentations partially cover it. Somewhat easier to tell on the original artwork as well;

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You know... I have no idea why Bahamut Prime has these augmentations... That's not technically the physical Bahamut that the Allag augmented, its his spirit or something? IDK, shouldn't that be a true representation of (at least) the Primal Bahamut, rather than a bastardized Allagan experiment? I guess they could have pierced his heart with technology and augmented his very soul to serve their will as well, the Allag were certainly f*cked up enough to do that...

[Lunaxia]

Let me just scribble on this;


The horn shape is different, and Bahamut doesn't have a beak. Meanwhile 4s wings match up to Bahamuts very nicely. Look at the top of 4s wings, and the top of Bahamuts wings, that claw like part is very similar on both.

The horn shape is not different? At all? It's the same, just in a different place and not as dramatic. You've even drawn the shape of it out yourself so I don't understand how you aren't seeing it. Most of the dragons have the wing feature you mention. Look at Nidhogg, Ratatoskr and Hraesvelgr's wings.

6 doesn't have a "beak" either, just a more pronounced curve at the end of his snout. Primal Bahamut's mouth curves too, just less dramatically, which is because he was resurrected as an altogether less dragon-like version of his original self. Aside from that, their faces are identical.

The biggest issue with 4 is the angle... We're looking at his head from above, as such it's kind of hard to actually judge the horns adequately. We can tell that they're going back along the side of his head though, unlike 6, who has them curving over his face, which isn't at all how Bahamuts horns are depicted thus far.

...except on the Bahamut minion, whose horns are in exactly the same place but set slightly further back. Because it is a minion. You're quibbling over placement, which will naturally vary according to Bahamut's different forms, but ignoring the identical shape. 4's horns aren't even on its head so there is no way the Bahamut minion was modeled after it.

[Nalien]

It's the same, just in a different place and not as dramatic.

It's a pretty big difference...

6 has horns that curve over his face, Bahamuts do not do this in the slightest. It's the same shape only if you twist Bahamuts horns a full 90 degrees... Meanwhile we can't get a clear idea of 4s horns because the angle just isn't appropriate to judge them properly, but if we looked at Bahamut from the top down? I imagine his horns would look fairly similar...

Heck, it's not even the same horn shape... 6 has a much more pronounced curve in his horn than Bahamut... Crappy editting powers activate;


Bahamuts horns are fairly flat and curve down and back along his head. 6 has horns that curve right over his face then go back fairly far away from his neck... They are extremely different...

[PArcher]

It's a pretty big difference...

6 has horns that curve over his face, Bahamuts do not do this in the slightest. It's the same shape only if you twist Bahamuts horns a full 90 degrees... Meanwhile we can't get a clear idea of 4s horns because the angle just isn't appropriate to judge them properly, but if we looked at Bahamut from the top down? I imagine his horns would look fairly similar...

4's horns are furry and there are four of them, coming from the side of his head. Neither Primal nor minion have that.

The picture at the top of this page also much more clearly shows the horns being much more similar to 6's. Its highly likely the Allagans mutilated them to fit the Coils on him properly, if it isn't just a Dragon->Primal change

[Lunaxia]

It's a pretty big difference...

6 has horns that curve over his face, Bahamuts do not do this in the slightest. It's the same shape only if you twist Bahamuts horns a full 90 degrees... Meanwhile we can't get a clear idea of 4s horns because the angle just isn't appropriate to judge them properly, but if we looked at Bahamut from the top down? I imagine his horns would look fairly similar...

No, you just need to curve the bend in the horns a bit more.

4's horns are not on its head. They run along the side of its head, seemingly coming from its brow. Bahamut's horns, be it in minion, primal or furniture form, are on top of its head, like 6, and what's more, the depictions of the horns are exactly the same shape as 6's. 4's are not; they don't even reach into a point.

[Nalien]

Its highly likely the Allagans mutilated them to fit the Coils on him properly, if it isn't just a Dragon->Primal change

I can imagine mutilating to remove a a couple horns, I can't imagine mutilating to change the shape and position...

4's horns are not on its head. They run along the side of its head, seemingly coming from its brow. Bahamut's horns, be it in minion, primal or furniture form, are on top of its head, like 6, and what's more, the depictions of the horns are exactly the same shape as 6's. 4's are not; they don't even reach into a point.

They really aren't... Just look at this;


The horn shape and position there is completely different from 6... I'm not sure what else I can say, we're just going to have to agree to disagree at this point... Bahamuts horns are not remotely close to as curvy as 6s and they certainly don't go anywhere near his face like 6s... At this point I'm likely to just completely disregard the minion because it's a minion... It doesn't even have claws on its hands, it is so far from a proper depiction that I really don't think it can be used here... Even the minions horns don't come remotely close to being in the same position as 6s, though... Both the Primal and the minion have horns that grow back, while 6 has horns that grew forward then curved back, that is a major difference and I'm not sure how I can make this any clearer...

That or the Ascian-summoned version of Bahamut deviated in appearance somewhat from the original Bahamut. Tiamat called it "a mockery of my beloved."

Which means nothing... If you want to use that line of argument to explain away any differences between Bahamut and 6, you're aware I can do the exact same thing in relation to 4, right?

Again, the biggest issue here is the angle. We're viewing 4 from above and as such we cannot adequately judge his horns. We can clearly judge 6s horns though, and they curve over his face, completely unlike Bahamuts. Meanwhile what we can tell from 4s horns is that they go back along his head, like Bahamuts...

[Lunaxia]

4's horns are furry and there are four of them, coming from the side of his head. Neither Primal nor minion have that.

The picture at the top of this page also much more clearly shows the horns being much more similar to 6's. Its highly likely the Allagans mutilated them to fit the Coils on him properly, if it isn't just a Dragon->Primal change

That or the Ascian-summoned version of Bahamut deviated in appearance somewhat from the original Bahamut. Tiamat called it "a mockery of my beloved."

[Nalien]

Last post from me, but I just went into Coil to grab a shot of Bahamut from a similar angle;


-Similar hand placement.
-Similar snout/eye placement.
-Primal Bahamut got bigger wings and put on some weight. That chest doesn't match any of the Celestial Dragons, so don't even bother.
-Though the artwork has the horns being more flake-y(?), you're sitting here telling me that the Allag mutilated him and that Tiamat said the Primal version was different, so whatever. 6 still has horns curving over his face while Bahamut has no such thing. Both 4 and Bahamut have horns with a similar placement.
-Back scales look pretty damn similar to me.

[Whiteroom]

It's easier to tell on the furnishing, the gold is Allagan augmentation, while the rest is presumably original Bahamut. Better if you can go look at one in game, but it distinctly has horns that curve back from his head/face while the Allagan augmentations partially cover it. Somewhat easier to tell on the original artwork as well;

Sorry, phone messed up my cut and paste, will fix at home.... damn char limit...

Ok, so I was saying the augmentations appear to be totally separate from the horns to me, so debating the shape of them is probably pointless.

What I find ridiculous though, is that we are debating the finer points of horn shape, when one of the dragons proposed has feathers and a beak and more closely resembles a griffon with horns than any Bahamut I have seen from the FF series. Going to go and look for a feathered Bahamut now? Please let me know if you know of any.

The only thing that really matters though, is that we know primal Bahamut was different from the actual. We don't know in what ways, so until we get a vision of it. The debate is mostly pointless. All we can do is say which is likely based on past versions of him.Which, if I had to put all my gil on it, would be 4. Of course, watch it be 8 after all of this...