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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    'Memory' implies the statue is a memorial etc.
    It says "along with the memory of thine [...] wings." To me that doesn't sound so much like a memorial as it does a tribute to something the dragon did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
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    I'm glad someone else looked into this! I agree with most of your post, though I put Bahamut as 6 since it seems the most similar to the primal version appearance-wise. I think Ratatoskr is 4, because a) the colour is the most similar to that shown in the tapestry (it isn't completely accurate, but neither is Nidhogg - he's definitely blue, but shown as black) b) it suits her horn placement, and

    c) Ratatoskr, Hraesvelgr and Nidhogg were named after creatures from Norse mythology, Nidhogg after a great dragon and Hraesvelgr after a giant who take the shape of an eagle, which is reflected in their appearances. Ratatoskr was named after the squirrel who ran up and down the world tree Yggdrasil carrying messages between an unnamed eagle and Nidhogg (also hinted at with the placement of her old nesting grounds in the CM; Tharl Oom Khash lies directly between Zenith and the Aery), which suggests her appearance will likely have been similarly influenced. 4 is the most squirrel-like out of all them, going off the shape of her body and face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post
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    If 3 is not Tiamat, which do you place as Tiamat? Pay her a visit in Azys Lla, I'm almost 100% certain 3 is Tiamat. The only other one with a remotely similar face is 6, but 3 is really a dead ringer for Tiamat... Plus 3 is green, Tiamat should* be green.

    Between 4, 6, 7 and 8 I'm also fairly certain 4 is Bahamut. If you strip away the Allagan augmentations, he seems to have only horns going back along his head, possibly similar to 4 (it's a weird angle). We can rule out 7, since it has 4 claws, where as Bahamut has/had 3. Can't see much of 8, but that face is waaay off so lets just rule him out. That leaves 4 and 6, and given 6 seems to have a long neck I'd go for 4, since Bahamut, at least the Primal version, has a stubby little neck. 6 at least has horns going back, but they seem too far off his neck to be Bahamut, too.

    *Incarnations where she hasn't been green or associated with wind annoy me; Why is she a fire dragon in XI?! She was originally the Fiend of Wind ffs! Missing heads I can forgive, but associating her with Fire irks me to no end... They even did it here... We talk to here and regain the Fire Crystal for our Blessing of Light! This annoys me far more than it should... At least, based on this artwork, she's meant to be green...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    If 3 is not Tiamat, which do you place as Tiamat? Pay her a visit in Azys Lla, I'm almost 100% certain 3 is Tiamat. The only other one with a remotely similar face is 6, but 3 is really a dead ringer for Tiamat... Plus 3 is green, Tiamat should* be green.

    Between 4, 6, 7 and 8 I'm also fairly certain 4 is Bahamut. If you strip away the Allagan augmentations, he seems to have only horns going back along his head, possibly similar to 4 (it's a weird angle). We can rule out 7, since it has 4 claws, where as Bahamut has/had 3. Can't see much of 8, but that face is waaay off so lets just rule him out. That leaves 4 and 6, and given 6 seems to have a long neck I'd go for 4, since Bahamut, at least the Primal version, has a stubby little neck. 6 at least has horns going back, but they seem too far off his neck to be Bahamut, too.

    *Incarnations where she hasn't been green or associated with wind annoy me; Why is she a fire dragon in XI?! She was originally the Fiend of Wind ffs! Missing heads I can forgive, but associating her with Fire irks me to no end... They even did it here... We talk to here and regain the Fire Crystal for our Blessing of Light! This annoys me far more than it should... At least, based on this artwork, she's meant to be green...
    ...? I never said Tiamat isn't 3, it's obvious that it's her. Unless you saw my post before I corrected my typo.

    There is no way 4 is Bahamut. It looks nothing like its primal incarnation, or even any other FF version of Bahamut we've seen to date. The horns don't resemble his either; they don't even look particularly horn-like, which would better match Ratatoskr's image given her namesake (see my other post.) 4 also has quite a docile, gentle face in comparison to the others, that suits more what we've heard of Ratatoskr than Bahamut.

    I think Bahamut's "stubbiness" and other minor differences were a result of his "resurrection" - I don't think the original Bahamut looked like that, as all the other dragons are elongated and serpentine like Midgardsormr.
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    Only thing I can say is that Ratatoskr probably had a morphology similar to Bahamut (before she died). I guess we'll never know, unless they pull an Evangelion or Xenogears plot where 90% of Ishgard get fused back into her.
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    So much untouched interesting stuff in the 3.0 areas so far. Hoping "the House of Letters"? is a dungeon at some point, as well as Zenith. Also there is a small hole in a cliff face in the far north west of the hinterlands, and those big doors in the Forelands.
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    6 (bottom one) is definitely Bahamut; same large horns as Tiamat, and the Bahamut minion...

    4 I'd say is Ratatoskr, only due to the horn direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    6 (bottom one) is definitely Bahamut; same large horns as Tiamat, and the Bahamut minion...

    4 I'd say is Ratatoskr, only due to the horn direction.
    4 is Bahamut and 7 is Ratatoskr.

    There is no question

    Look screenshoots of Bahamut and remove all the allagan stuff ( gold )
    They are really similar. Bahamut doesnt have 3 horns, it has 2. The 3th one is an allagan augumentation or neurolink.
    On the 8 dragon picture, the number 4 looks more like a wyrm, it has spikes also if you look closely

    On Number 7 is has 4 horns and go same direction as the ones of Nidhoog, it matches the old Ishgardian picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
    4 is Bahamut and 7 is Ratatoskr.

    There is no question

    Look screenshoots of Bahamut and remove all the allagan stuff ( gold )
    They are really similar. Bahamut doesnt have 3 horns, it has 2. The 3th one is an allagan augumentation or neurolink.
    On the 8 dragon picture, the number 4 looks more like a wyrm, it has spikes also if you look closely

    On Number 7 is has 4 horns and go same direction as the ones of Nidhoog, it matches the old Ishgardian picture.
    Except there is, because 6 is Bahamut. Compare it to the Wind-up Bahamut minion, the image I linked in a few posts up. It shows the horns without the allagan stuff.

    Also, 5 is Nidhogg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    Except there is, because 6 is Bahamut. Compare it to the Wind-up Bahamut minion, the image I linked in a few posts up. It shows the horns without the allagan stuff.

    Also, 5 is Nidhogg.
    We cannot use as reference a minion, their proportions are exagerated.
    Dunno if you notice but number 6 looks more like a bird, take a look at the ixal for example.

    I never said number 5 was not Nidhogg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
    We cannot use as reference a minion, their proportions are exagerated.
    But the shape remains the same, which is too similar to the shape of 6's horns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
    Dunno if you notice but number 6 looks more like a bird, take a look at the ixal for example.
    4 is literally covered in feathers, and 6 only looks like a bird because it's mouth is wide open. If anything, 4 is much more birdlike.
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