emnity issue

[Ashkendor]

You can pre-pop Sheltron to get a guaranteed Shield Swipe, which is pretty good to have in your burst enmity opener. I believe you can also use Sheltron on the first cleave and have it back up for the tank buster, but it's been awhile since I've done the fight so I don't remember the timing too well ( and I've only done it as DRK P: ).

Yes. I pop it in my opener to eat the first cleave and give me some enmity, and it's back up before the first TB.

Someone some time ago called me stupid because I DIDN'T use Sheltron solo for the first TB. However, it's that secondary cleave that'll get me. So, I now couple Shelton with each defensive CD (ie Sheltron + Foresight, Sheltron + Rampart, etc). People argued that I don't need to couple Sheltron, but I always gave healers a heart attack when I didn't couple.

So, I just continue to play it safe, especially if the healer(s) didn't give me a shield or used Virus, and it's been fine enough to get me a couple of weapons and such.

The person that called you stupid was being pretty stupid imo. There's no reason to space your cooldowns out to the point that you're only using one for any given skill if you have cooldowns that are just going to sit there completely unused in the rotation. The point is to make sure you have enough to go around. Sheltron is up so often that there's no reason not to spam the ever-living crap out of it in Sephirot EX with all the physical damage he slings around. If you rotate correctly, you can couple Sheltron with each cooldown you use for Chesed and mitigate that much more damage. I always do Rampart + Sheltron, Sentinel + Sheltron, Foresight + Sheltron, and then Rampart + Sheltron will be up again if DPS is low enough that you get a 4th tankbuster.

@OP - make sure you're using FoF in your opener and whenever else you have an opportunity. If you're doing that and you have a solid opener but you're still having problems, you may just have to resign yourself to using RoH more often until you can upgrade your weapon. It's really not a huge deal if this is the case. Tank DPS isn't what it used to be anyway and if the DPS players are doing that much damage that they're riding the line of ripping hate off of you, the damage you lose by using RoH shouldn't be needed to clear anyway. Is it more than one WHM that you're having problems with ripping hate off of you? Did they use Shroud of Saints at all? Were DPS using their enmity reduction skills as well? Are any Ninjas in the party making sure to use their skills on you? There's a lot of things that other players in the party can do to make it easier for you to maintain your enmity lead.

[Jim_Berry]

Gotta love that tank buster as a PLD I survive better than DRK XD that pure physical damage it's delicious taking it head on all to yourself :d

As DRK, I gave myself a lot of learning time by creating learning parties. I learned to save Dark Dance and Reprisal for those Tank Busters when I have to use Foresight if Shadowskin and Shadow Wall are down.

I'd use Dark Dance just after the two jumps to get the parry in when Sephirot's chasing me back to the center, so Reprisal can be ready for the Tank Buster.

[Drtoxicmedica]

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It\\'s not me losing hate. It\\'s about me losing out on my dps rotation primarily. Mainly in seph ex with a well geared whm and dragoons. No other class makes me absolutely feel like I\\'m going to lose the base if I royal authority freaquently. I'm fine once the whm shrouds at least till they build back up. Dragoons/monks in particular are the issue most of the time. But if there dps is countering me using halone more often I can deal with that. I'm trying to get use to how tank dps factors into things now people seem to just view us. Espically pld as a meat shield nothing else. Just want to pull my weight is all

[Drtoxicmedica]

For reference. My opening rotation varies.
For seph ex with a whm or well geared drg my opener goes
Sheltron-shieldlob-FoF - FB(sc)-SB(shield swipe) RH(spirits within)-FB-RB-GB-FB-SB-RH.

That usually nets me enough burst emnity to use royal authority more liberally. My rotation when shadewalked/don't have to worry about high Ilvl peeps starts with GB combo into rage and royal before FoF turns off. Andy thing wrong with that or am I just gonna have to deal with it for now?

[Jpec07]

It's about me losing out on my dps rotation primarily.

Holding hate and surviving are both more primary and important to your role as a tank in any encounter than your DPS. Push to maximize your damage output, yes, but do not do so at the cost of holding hate or surviving the damage you take. While you're gearing, this means using Rage of Halone more frequently on the pull, and then switching to Royal Authority once you've got a threat lead. Once you have more gear (focus on your sword), you can probably make that switch sooner.

[Drtoxicmedica]

Holding hate and surviving are both more primary and important to your role as a tank in any encounter than your DPS. Push to maximize your damage output, yes, but do not do so at the cost of holding hate or surviving the damage you take. While you're gearing, this means using Rage of Halone more frequently on the pull, and then switching to Royal Authority once you've got a threat lead. Once you have more gear (focus on your sword), you can probably make that switch sooner.

My question wasn't what a tanks meant to do. My question was how can I optimize. I've tanked since I started playing this game back in final coil. What to focus on gear wise is not what I'm asking. I know the weapon comes first. But that'd roughly 6 weeks away. I'm asking for tips to min max before hand if there is a way. I don't lose threat that's not my problem. It's maxing my dps while being under geared at this point. Of it at all matters

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Probably suboptimal, but at an i211pld with 210 weapon, I have zero issues if I can get off at least four buffed Halone's in the first FoF, especially if I can add in two shield swipes. I generally don't have issues going into SwO immediately after and just coasting for the next couple of minutes with Authority.

[Jpec07]

My question wasn't what a tanks meant to do. My question was how can I optimize. I've tanked since I started playing this game back in final coil. What to focus on gear wise is not what I'm asking. I know the weapon comes first. But that'd roughly 6 weeks away. I'm asking for tips to min max before hand if there is a way.

Not really too much. Do a search on Google for FFXIV stat weights and you'll get to Dervy's blog, which will give you your stat priority. I believe PLD wants Crit > Det > SkS for DPS, but I'm not too familiar (I'm not in a static yet, and don't have ARM high enough to make the High Mythrite stuff, so I just take whatever iLvl upgrade I can get).

Outside of that, make sure that you wait for Fight or Flight to use Circle of Scorn and Goring Blade - the duration is just long enough to where you'll be able to refresh both while it's still up. I've heard of people tricking Spirits Within to hit twice in the magic pixel somehow, but I haven't been able to get that particular trick to work consistently.

You'll probably need to start in ShO to build your enmity, and you might not be able to hold off of super-geared players without it until their CDs have worn off.

I don't lose threat that's not my problem. It's maxing my dps while being under geared at this point. Of it at all matters

Your thread title is a little misleading.

[Sarcatica]

Not really too much. Do a search on Google for FFXIV stat weights and you'll get to Dervy's blog, which will give you your stat priority. I believe PLD wants Det > Crit > SkS for DPS, but I'm not too familiar (I'm not in a static yet, and don't have ARM high enough to make the High Mythrite stuff, so I just take whatever iLvl upgrade I can get).

The only reason Why DET>CRIT>SkSCRIT>DET>SkS is such for PLD is mainly because the job revolves around having 9GCD; GB>RA/RoH>RA/RoH combo. You can slot in Fracture in between if you have high SkS (10GCD) but it's really pointless since the skill itself is very weak vs RA/GB increased potency. On top of that SkS doesn't do anything for your Sword Oath, making it worse to stack vs DET/CRIT that can impact the overall damage from all sources. Without any boost for SkS, you are still able to get the 9GCD setup to work no matter what, unless if you are lagging or something.

[Sarcatica]

People use Dervy's stat weights but they don't know how secondary stats generally work with all the job's kit? Very alarming. It's just like healers stacking CRIT/DET instead of Accuracy because they want to save mana?? Logical? How are you saving mana if you keep missing dots application? Or like "OH, I can get 1.1K SkS with my Dragoon, I CAN DO MORE DPS". Often it's not the case at all.