emnity issue

[chidarake]

although i havnt tanked any ex primals on my alt i can say in dungeons against a blm friend who is pushing m4s i can hold agro against him with my alt at 207-8 i forget exactly but def well under his ilvl and im only using a 210 weapon 230 chest and rest an even mix between 200-210.

i usually start with shield lob, fof, sheltron, halone combo mixing in ocgds like cos, spirits within and shield swipe which usuallly procs instantly because of sheltron. then cycle through goring and royal authority, repeat.
usually i stay shield oath in dungeons but after youve gone through those combos you could easily drop it and shouldnt have issues and even after the second halone combo you could drop it for royal authority and just monitor if you needed another halone.

really you shouldnt be having any issues unless your using str accs not realising the vit changes.

[Jukebox12]

well you should always start a Boss Fight With FoF no matter what.

[Drtoxicmedica]

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It\\'s not me losing hate. It\\'s about me losing out on my dps rotation primarily. Mainly in seph ex with a well geared whm and dragoons. No other class makes me absolutely feel like I\\'m going to lose the base if I royal authority freaquently. I'm fine once the whm shrouds at least till they build back up. Dragoons/monks in particular are the issue most of the time. But if there dps is countering me using halone more often I can deal with that. I'm trying to get use to how tank dps factors into things now people seem to just view us. Espically pld as a meat shield nothing else. Just want to pull my weight is all

[Jpec07]

It's about me losing out on my dps rotation primarily.

Holding hate and surviving are both more primary and important to your role as a tank in any encounter than your DPS. Push to maximize your damage output, yes, but do not do so at the cost of holding hate or surviving the damage you take. While you're gearing, this means using Rage of Halone more frequently on the pull, and then switching to Royal Authority once you've got a threat lead. Once you have more gear (focus on your sword), you can probably make that switch sooner.

[Drtoxicmedica]

For reference. My opening rotation varies.
For seph ex with a whm or well geared drg my opener goes
Sheltron-shieldlob-FoF - FB(sc)-SB(shield swipe) RH(spirits within)-FB-RB-GB-FB-SB-RH.

That usually nets me enough burst emnity to use royal authority more liberally. My rotation when shadewalked/don't have to worry about high Ilvl peeps starts with GB combo into rage and royal before FoF turns off. Andy thing wrong with that or am I just gonna have to deal with it for now?

[Drtoxicmedica]

Holding hate and surviving are both more primary and important to your role as a tank in any encounter than your DPS. Push to maximize your damage output, yes, but do not do so at the cost of holding hate or surviving the damage you take. While you're gearing, this means using Rage of Halone more frequently on the pull, and then switching to Royal Authority once you've got a threat lead. Once you have more gear (focus on your sword), you can probably make that switch sooner.

My question wasn't what a tanks meant to do. My question was how can I optimize. I've tanked since I started playing this game back in final coil. What to focus on gear wise is not what I'm asking. I know the weapon comes first. But that'd roughly 6 weeks away. I'm asking for tips to min max before hand if there is a way. I don't lose threat that's not my problem. It's maxing my dps while being under geared at this point. Of it at all matters

[Jpec07]

My question wasn't what a tanks meant to do. My question was how can I optimize. I've tanked since I started playing this game back in final coil. What to focus on gear wise is not what I'm asking. I know the weapon comes first. But that'd roughly 6 weeks away. I'm asking for tips to min max before hand if there is a way.

Not really too much. Do a search on Google for FFXIV stat weights and you'll get to Dervy's blog, which will give you your stat priority. I believe PLD wants Crit > Det > SkS for DPS, but I'm not too familiar (I'm not in a static yet, and don't have ARM high enough to make the High Mythrite stuff, so I just take whatever iLvl upgrade I can get).

Outside of that, make sure that you wait for Fight or Flight to use Circle of Scorn and Goring Blade - the duration is just long enough to where you'll be able to refresh both while it's still up. I've heard of people tricking Spirits Within to hit twice in the magic pixel somehow, but I haven't been able to get that particular trick to work consistently.

You'll probably need to start in ShO to build your enmity, and you might not be able to hold off of super-geared players without it until their CDs have worn off.

I don't lose threat that's not my problem. It's maxing my dps while being under geared at this point. Of it at all matters

Your thread title is a little misleading.

[Sarcatica]

Not really too much. Do a search on Google for FFXIV stat weights and you'll get to Dervy's blog, which will give you your stat priority. I believe PLD wants Det > Crit > SkS for DPS, but I'm not too familiar (I'm not in a static yet, and don't have ARM high enough to make the High Mythrite stuff, so I just take whatever iLvl upgrade I can get).

The only reason Why DET>CRIT>SkSCRIT>DET>SkS is such for PLD is mainly because the job revolves around having 9GCD; GB>RA/RoH>RA/RoH combo. You can slot in Fracture in between if you have high SkS (10GCD) but it's really pointless since the skill itself is very weak vs RA/GB increased potency. On top of that SkS doesn't do anything for your Sword Oath, making it worse to stack vs DET/CRIT that can impact the overall damage from all sources. Without any boost for SkS, you are still able to get the 9GCD setup to work no matter what, unless if you are lagging or something.

[Brian_]

The only reason Why DET>CRIT>SkS is such for PLD is mainly because the job revolves around having 9GCD; GB>RA/RoH>RA/RoH combo. You can slot in Fracture in between if you have high SkS (10GCD) but it's really pointless since the skill itself is very weak vs RA/GB increased potency. On top of that SkS doesn't do anything for your Sword Oath, making it worse to stack vs DET/CRIT that can impact the overall damage from all sources. Without any boost for SkS, you are still able to get the 9GCD setup to work no matter what, unless if you are lagging or something.

I was under the impression that crit > det for PLDs after the HW changes.

[Sarcatica]

I was under the impression that crit > det for PLDs after the HW changes.

Oh man, mistake there. CRIT>DET is always the case for most classes. Good catch.