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    Quote Originally Posted by magenta_taco View Post
    crafting in this game is dreadfully easy now since they defaulted the cursor on the recipe button instead of the request button. get a turbo controller, put something on the x button, and go do whatever.
    That really works? Is there a controller anyone recommends to do this? I've reached my limit on crafting. Last night I made it 1.5 hrs and had to sleep. I will buy 1million flax and just turbo it to completion.

    EDIT: Or a similar mechanism to do on a computer keyboard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal View Post
    That really works? Is there a controller anyone recommends to do this? I've reached my limit on crafting. Last night I made it 1.5 hrs and had to sleep. I will buy 1million flax and just turbo it to completion.

    EDIT: Or a similar mechanism to do on a computer keyboard?
    Careful with that stick near the beehive.

    I really don't know why anyone thinks they are any better than someone just using a turbo controller when all they do is watch fullscreen movies/series without a care of whats going on in the background spamming enter/x. You don't actually need the game to be active, it will pick up a controller regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal View Post
    That really works? Is there a controller anyone recommends to do this? I've reached my limit on crafting. Last night I made it 1.5 hrs and had to sleep. I will buy 1million flax and just turbo it to completion.

    EDIT: Or a similar mechanism to do on a computer keyboard?
    If you have a programmable keyboard or mouse then you can write a macro for it. If you don't have or want to buy one then you'll have to find a program/bot that allows you to do it. I would just go buy a turbo gamepad off of amazon (I think the official FFXIV gamepad has a tubro function lol), but if you want something that has more than one use, go buy one of the gaming keyboards from Logitech. The only detection/safeguard SE seems to have is a GM messaging you to see if you're at your keyboard. Just be smart about it. Don't craft for absurd amounts of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blarp View Post
    If you have a programmable keyboard or mouse then you can write a macro for it. If you don't have or want to buy one then you'll have to find a program/bot that allows you to do it. I would just go buy a turbo gamepad off of amazon (I think the official FFXIV gamepad has a tubro function lol), but if you want something that has more than one use, go buy one of the gaming keyboards from Logitech. The only detection/safeguard SE seems to have is a GM messaging you to see if you're at your keyboard. Just be smart about it. Don't craft for absurd amounts of time.
    I actually have a logitech keyboard but it is one of the cheap ones from wal-mart so i may just buy a gamepad. Thanks for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blarp View Post
    If you have a programmable keyboard or mouse then you can write a macro for it. If you don't have or want to buy one then you'll have to find a program/bot that allows you to do it. I would just go buy a turbo gamepad off of amazon (I think the official FFXIV gamepad has a tubro function lol), but if you want something that has more than one use, go buy one of the gaming keyboards from Logitech. The only detection/safeguard SE seems to have is a GM messaging you to see if you're at your keyboard. Just be smart about it. Don't craft for absurd amounts of time.
    Do they really message you if you craft for too long? I was thinking about using a similar method to do some grinding as the slog seems ridiculous, and staring at my screen for 4 hours while I spam enter is not how I want to spend my gameplay time.

    Your solution, or one very similar, seems like a very good one for myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hachiko View Post
    Do they really message you if you craft for too long? I was thinking about using a similar method to do some grinding as the slog seems ridiculous, and staring at my screen for 4 hours while I spam enter is not how I want to spend my gameplay time.

    Your solution, or one very similar, seems like a very good one for myself.
    Well, with something like a turbo gamepad it's impossible to detect unless the GM suspects you're not at your computer. They literally made it so easy to "bot" crafting with the most recent change that someone with no scripting knowledge can go buy a turbo gamepad and there is absolutely nothing they can do to prevent/detect it besides have GM's check to see if the user is at the keyboard. It is bannable if you're not at your computer and a GM may decide to check on you if you're sitting there crafting for 20 hour stretches, so there is a risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blarp View Post
    Well, with something like a turbo gamepad it's impossible to detect unless the GM suspects you're not at your computer. They literally made it so easy to "bot" crafting with the most recent change that someone with no scripting knowledge can go buy a turbo gamepad and there is absolutely nothing they can do to prevent/detect it besides have GM's check to see if the user is at the keyboard. It is bannable if you're not at your computer and a GM may decide to check on you if you're sitting there crafting for 20 hour stretches, so there is a risk.
    Sure they can detect it, they just look for the timing of the button presses being too exact to be a real person. At least for simple turbo button gamepads. They could simply alter the crafting interface again.

    I also feel that crafting in XIV is one of the dullest things I have seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micrll View Post
    Sure they can detect it, they just look for the timing of the button presses being too exact to be a real person. At least for simple turbo button gamepads. They could simply alter the crafting interface again.

    I also feel that crafting in XIV is one of the dullest things I have seen.
    That's pretty unlikely, and is certainly not indicative of automation unless it's observed over long periods of time. Either way, the only way SE can detect this is to look at individual users over long periods of time. There's no injection or background programs running that a rootkit i.e. Warden, Hackshield, Gameguard etc. could detect. A GM has to be suspicious and then investigate. SE could have some search algorithm running on their servers that specifically looks for obvious patterns of keystrokes, but that certainly does not seem to be the case.

    They're going to have to alter the crafting interface to stop this, or hell, I have an idea, just scrap crafting entirely and start over!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blarp View Post
    That's pretty unlikely, and is certainly not indicative of automation unless it's observed over long periods of time. Either way, the only way SE can detect this is to look at individual users over long periods of time. There's no injection or background programs running that a rootkit i.e. Warden, Hackshield, Gameguard etc. could detect. A GM has to be suspicious and then investigate. SE could have some search algorithm running on their servers that specifically looks for obvious patterns of keystrokes, but that certainly does not seem to be the case.

    They're going to have to alter the crafting interface to stop this, or hell, I have an idea, just scrap crafting entirely and start over!
    Ding ding ding!

    The only way to prevent botting/etc is to not design gameplay elements that encourage it. Why not just let players autocraft anyway? Its not like afk crafting started with the turbo controller fad of late, it began when the game launched because the crafting system is a tedious pile of ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blarp View Post
    That's pretty Blarp, and is certainly not indicative of Blarp unless it's observed over long periods of Blarp. Either way, the only way SE can Blarp this is to look at individual Blarps over long periods of Blarp. There's no Blarp or background Blarps Blarping that a Blarpkit i.e. Blarpen, Blarpshield, Blarpuard etc. could Blarp. A Blarp has to be Blarp and then Blarp. SE could have some search Blarp Blarping on their Blarps that specifically Blarps for obvious Blarps of Blarps, but that certainly does not seem to be the Blarp.

    They're going to have to Blarp the Blarping interface to Blarp this, or Blarp, I have a Blarp, just Blarp Blarping entirely and Blarp Blarp!
    I couldn't agree Blarp!
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