Super-mega-grind

[Nakiamiie]

Is it just me, or is crafting in FFXIV the
grindiest of all grinds ever invented in a MMO?

Is there a single game in human history where
crafting was grindier, or does FFXIV hold the
ultimate record?

I really feel the same, I keep falling asleep every single time. Literally, I fall asleep when crafting! I really enjoy the mini-games and all, but the progression is so slow I have to do it over and over and over again, which in turn makes me sleepy.
I guess I'll have to wait for a total revamp on the progression of DoH to get one class to 50. xD

[Nayt]

I don't really mind the "grind". Hitting 50 basically means you're "done" with the craft, and from that point on, you can simply use it to rake in money. (which you can still do while getting /to/ 50)

You don't /have/ to powerburn it to 50. You can take it easy, making things which are actually useful too.

It changed a bit when materia were introduced, but if you want to be the elite and do everything yourself, then I suppose you deserve the long road to get to 50.

I dunno, it just sounds like most people see the crafts as worthless until you hit 50 and do the crafting endgame, but it's basically the same thing as with battle jobs.

What with this insane rate of leve allowances I can spend hours a day without even running out of leves. Which /is/ free materials and a rather decent exp reward per handin.

And SE is making it even simpler, so what's with the whining

[PikachuLink]

Its not just crafting....this whole game is a grind.....no one quests to level or even pays attention to any so called "storyline" because you dont quest to level you just beat on monsters in an area they pop real fast....EVERYTHING in this game is a grind.....even grinding ifrit till you get lucky enough the servers dont kill you.....[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.]

[Xatsh]

Its not just crafting....this whole game is a grind.....no one quests to level or even pays attention to any so called "storyline" because you dont quest to level you just beat on monsters in an area they pop real fast....EVERYTHING in this game is a grind.....even grinding ifrit till you get lucky enough the servers dont kill you.....[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.]

The funny part is you think quest leveling is not a grind.

[PikachuLink]

The funny part is you think quest leveling is not a grind.

if questing is done in this game i expect stories cinematics and partying during questlines.....but let me repeat what i said to the people who cant read like you Xatsh.....EVERYTHING in this game is a grind....

[Xatsh]

if questing is done in this game i expect stories cinematics and partying during questlines.....but let me repeat what i said to the people who cant read like you Xatsh.....EVERYTHING in this game is a grind....

A mmo is a grind it is what the genre is. WoW is a grind, Aion is a grind, XI is a grind, Rift is a grind, XIV is a grind... welcome to the mmo genre.

[PikachuLink]

A mmo is a grind it is what the genre is. WoW is a grind, Aion is a grind, XI is a grind, Rift is a grind, XIV is a grind... welcome to the mmo genre.

Video games are a grind....in every genre....thing is making it have enough action and flare to take our mind off of it and not shove it in your face.

[Blarp]

A mmo is a grind it is what the genre is. WoW is a grind, Aion is a grind, XI is a grind, Rift is a grind, XIV is a grind... welcome to the mmo genre.

That may be true, but some MMOs disguise grind better than others. The trick is to get players to actually enjoy the grind. For instance, questing may be a grind, but if those quests gives me fun things to do like bomb a city from a hot air balloon, or mark targets for a bombardier or something similar, the grind becomes more engaging and less obvious. Questing is also a good way to unfold the story of the world. In FFXIV, the grind is there slapping you in the face with nearly everything you do.

[TheVedis]

A mmo is a grind it is what the genre is. WoW is a grind, Aion is a grind, XI is a grind, Rift is a grind, XIV is a grind... welcome to the mmo genre.

sad but true
some grinds are just hidden as stuff that tricks people into thinking its not grindy
but lets face it, no matter how in depth some quests are people DO NOT read the text that goes with any of them in any game, players dont care enough, they really just want to skip ahead and progress to use said quests to level or achieve whatever it was they were doing the quest to do

yes there are a few people who do them for actual reasons of wanting to read/watch/.whatever them, but that number of players is so small its almost non existant


grinding is what MMOs are, you do the main story quests in most MMOs in order to see the story of the game and such, but everything else is just a means to an end after that


if anyone can tell me a game that doesnt make you grind, and actualy explain how it isnt a grind, id be surprised, cuz lets face it, ALL mmos are grinds


as for the topic, crafting has to be time consuming to advance or else it wouldnt be worth doing
people want instant gratification, and unfortunately you wont get it in grinding here, so people will complain
anytime anything isnt super easy and quick, people complain, cuz thats the nature of the beast

[Tonkra]

if questing is done in this game i expect stories cinematics and partying during questlines.....but let me repeat what i said to the people who cant read like you Xatsh.....EVERYTHING in this game is a grind....

well i think its funny to kill monsters in party or do guidleves with a group..

its much more fun than Doing soloquests one after an other like in WoW...


I mean... killing as itself can be also make much fun, why not? if you're playing in a group it makes fun.. and thats why MMorpgs are about... not like in rift etc. where you level solo all the time... filling your questbook till it almost explodes and working one "quest" after an other... is that more multiplayer fun than here?

well i like about FF Online :
- the world seems to me more pseudo "real" than any actual MMO right now (rift etc. pp)
- you have much more group fun than in any actual other MMO right now (WoW, Rift, Warhammer etc.)
- Group battles make much fun.


so you think its much better like for example SWTOR to put hundreds of cutscenes in the game with voiceover... then you play through the story and thats it? More is more? well i dont think that SWTOR will be that much more exciting.

is roleplaying all about getting the story represented in one story cutscene after an other like in a passive movie? really?
besides that FF14 has great ingame cinematic cutscenes (and not that less)


well but i would love if they would add more dungeon instances like the dungeons as in FF12 for example..