Kassatsu + Doton

[Sevyrr]

Heya, I think this is probably an old question, but I'm way too lazy to search the forum.

(Feel free to point me in the direction of something about this if you are aware!)

Short of it is: does Kassatsu effect the ticks of Doton, or is it just RNG inconsistency showing up in my ... calculations....
Thanks in advance!

[Ebonwings]

You don't use Kassatsu and Doton. It a waste of dps, instead you use Doton first then Kassatsu and Raiton. This way you can maximize the effect of Kassatsu.

[MagiusNecros]

You don't use Kassatsu and Doton. It a waste of dps, instead you use Doton first then Kassatsu and Raiton. This way you can maximize the effect of Kassatsu.

Kassatsu Doton combined with IR/B4B boosted Death Blossoms in large AoE pulls will provide more DPS then a single Kassatsu Raiton will in my experience.

[JackFross]

You don't use Kassatsu and Doton. It a waste of dps, instead you use Doton first then Kassatsu and Raiton. This way you can maximize the effect of Kassatsu.

This worries me. There's no situation ever where you'll want to Doton and Raiton in any order, separated by a Kassatsu. Ever.

If there's a priority target in an aoe pull, you would be dropping Shadow Fang / Mutilate on it and single-target stuff to kill it. Ninjutsus would still be Katon/Doton.
If there's only one enemy, you should never be dropping Doton. Ever. Never ever ever. Under any circumstance. Ever.
If most enemies are about to die, leaving just one to Raiton after, you would Katon > Raiton, not Doton > Raiton.

I can't think of any other almost-right situation where Doton and Raiton would be mixed like this.

But yeah, as was said, every tick of Doton is automatically a crit if you Kassatsu into it.

[Ebonwings]

Thanks for the tips I'll rearrange those ninjutsu order when I'll go NIN next time.

[Alistaire]

You don't use Kassatsu and Doton. It a waste of dps, instead you use Doton first then Kassatsu and Raiton. This way you can maximize the effect of Kassatsu.

What in the everliving...this is terrible advice. Any situation you'd use raiton = any situation you would absolutely not use doton.

1 mob = raiton, suiton as applicable

2 mobs+ = katon, doton (only when mobs will last 21 seconds on average. ie: if there's 5 mobs, but only 1 is going to last more than 10 seconds, katon)

And in situations where doton will run its full course, the best use is regular katon followed by kassatsu doton. If you're not sure they'll all last 21 seconds regular doton then kassatsu katon is an option.

Just test on a Dummy. Do a normal Doton and then do one with Kass, it will be significantly higher damage for all the ticks.

and close, but you'd need to test on 2+ dummies, which was one of the first things I did back then to be sure because there's a similar move on drg that only forces crit on its first target.

[Judge_Xero]

Heya, I think this is probably an old question, but I'm way too lazy to search the forum.

(Feel free to point me in the direction of something about this if you are aware!)

Short of it is: does Kassatsu effect the ticks of Doton, or is it just RNG inconsistency showing up in my ... calculations....
Thanks in advance!

Yes. If you use Kass in Doton then all the dot ticks will be critical.

[Ebonwings]

Huh guess I'm a bad NIN then XD since I always Doton, Kassatsu, and Raiton XD back to the basic for me xD

[Zari]

Huh guess I'm a bad NIN then XD since I always Doton, Kassatsu, and Raiton XD back to the basic for me xD

It is more you want to kassatsu into doton in aoe pulls

[Ebonwings]

Thanks guys, guess I'll get some adjustments on my NIN again XD been playing a lot of DRG lately need to rework my NIN rotation more then.