Materia Melding (Forbidden) Collective

[Eldaena]

Hello!

I haven't seen much in the way of % rates people are having with the forbidden melding process. I started a small collection of data from my own experiences and wanted to share my thoughts and see if anyone else had some info they would like to share. I would love to start a collection of the % rates people are having with this process. I did manage to meld a second materia onto a piece of gear (be it a small one even) so I did manage to get some possible % rates for the third materia slotting as well.


There are a few things I've gathered so far as possible theories:

1) Things like Gear do not matter when melding (unconfirmed tools)

2) How much a materia gives can effect the % rate of the meld.

3) Melding a different kind of materia other than the original one you put on lowers the % of your success on your next meld.

(Example: Adding a STR materia to a item that already has STR on it is more likely to succeed than adding a DEX materia to an item that already has STR on it.)


4) Melding a lower tier materia first increases your chances of melding another matiera regardless of tier.

(Example: You have a better chance to meld a tier IV STR materia after originally melding a tier I STR than you do trying to meld a tier I STR materia to something that already has a tier IV STR materia on it.)

5) The level of the item seems to effect the % rate of meld (possibly harder to meld to lower tier gear!)

6) Undetermined if your level effects the %

7) Undetermined if the more melds you have done collectively effects the %

8) To the dismay of some, it might actually be that the Quality of the item being melded into DECREASES the % rate of the next materia meld if it's higher than NQ.



Collective Melding Research:

New Data Under Study:

Cobalt Mitt Gauntlets [NQ] Level: 48 (50 ARM)

materia 1: [ 100%] +4 ATK Heaven's Fist (Tier I )
materia 2: [ 42%] +8 ATK Heaven's Fist (Tier I )
materia 3: [29.5%] +15 STR Strength (Tier III) <Failed>



Bladed Lantern Shield [NQ] Level: 39 (attempted at level 50 arm)

materia slot 1: [ 100%] +4 DEF Blood Wall (tier I )
materia slot 2: [ 34%] +6 DEF Blood Wall (tier I )
materia slot 3: [ 16%] +12 DEF Blood Wall (tier II )
materia slot 3: [ 19%] +10 DEF Blood wall (tier II )


Previous Inconclusive Data:

Boarskin Ringband of Flames lvl 46 (attempted at level 46 gsm)

materia slot 1: 100% (tier I) str
materia slot 2: 41% (tier I) str
39.5 (tier II) str
38.5% (tier II) dex
38.5% (tier II) m.crit %
38% (tier III) str
34.5% (tier IV) str

Boarskin Ringband of Flames lvl 46 (attempted at level 46 gsm)

materia slot 1: 100% (tier I) str
materia slot 2: 41% (tier I) str
materia slot 3: 35% (tier I) str
34.5% (tier I) dex
33.5% (tier II) str
32% (tier II) dex
32% (tier II) m.crit %
31.5% (tier III) str

Boarskin Ringband of Tremors lvl 46 (attemmpted at level 46 gsm)

materia slot 1: 100% (tier II) str
materia slot 2: 38% (tier I) str
36.5 % (tier II) str
35.5 % (tier II) dex
35.5% (tier II) m.crit %
35% (tier III) str
31.5% (tier IV) str


Boarskin Ringband of Frost lvl 46 (attempted at level 46 gsm)

materia slot 1: 100% (tier III) str
materia slot 2: 33.5% (tier 1) str
32% (tier II) str
30.5% (tier II) dex
30.5% (tier II) m.crit %
30% (tier III) str
27% (tier IV) str


Boarskin Ringband of Gales +1 lvl 46 (attempted at level 46 gsm)

materia slot 1: 100% (tier III) magic crit potentcy
materia slot 2: 32.5% (tier I) str
30.5% (tier II) str
29.5% (tier II) m.crit %
29.5% (tier II) dex
29% (tier IV) str


Cobalt Mitt Gauntlets lvl 48 (attempted at level 50 arm)

materia slot 1: 100% (tier II) str
materia slot 2: 35 % (tier I) str
34.5% (tier I) dex
33.5% (tier II) str
32% (tier II) dex
32% (tier II) m.crit %
30.5% (tier III) str






Please feel free to add to this at all. I hope I didn't start a thread someone else did already. I did see one thread, but it was more speculation than anything. =)

[Eldaena]

No responses at all? lol Is everyone being stingy or are they checking rates right now? XD

[Royal]

Post in general forums imo.

[Estellios]

I haven't done extreme in-depth testing, but on 41+ gear, attaching a T4 Materia to a piece of gear with a T4 materia already attached has a success rate around 15%, it seems to be based on the actual value of the materia within that tier (so, for example, a T4 HP Materia that has 60 HP will have a higher success rate than one with 70 HP). I actually managed to succeed at that and trying to attach another T4 gave me around 8% chance of success, so I'm guessing it drops by half each time you add the same tier.

Adding a T3 Materia to something with T3 on it already gave me about 28% chance of success... but that blew up, go figure =P

[tymora]

Woolen Work Gloves as 50 WVR -
Materia 1 = +3 STR (T1)
Materia 2 = +8 STR (T3 39%)
+10 DEX (T3 26%)

[Eldaena]

Woolen Work Gloves as 50 WVR -
Materia 1 = +3 STR (T1)
Materia 2 = +8 STR (T3 39%)
+10 DEX (T3 26%)

From what it seems regardless if it's + 6 or +10, it doesn't change the % rate of success for the meld. However, the different types of materia, like dex and str, do seem to matter.

[MeowyWowie]

2) How much a materia gives you does not effect the %

This is false..

[Eldaena]

This is false..

First and foremost I said these were theories. Second of all, based on my tries it didn't matter if a tier 1 str materia gave me +1 str or +5 the % was the same. 41% (for second materia on a ringband that already had a tier 1 str on it.)

[MeowyWowie]

First and foremost I said these were theories. Second of all, based on my tries it didn't matter if a tier 1 str materia gave me +1 str or +5 the % was the same. 41% (for second materia on a ringband that already had a tier 1 str on it.)

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend.. Just letting you know that it is in fact false, at least for higher tier materia / higher level gear.

[Eldaena]

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend.. Just letting you know that it is in fact false, at least for higher tier materia / higher level gear.

Well, I'm not so much offended that you didn't read what I typed as I am a little lost with your statement. Can you give further information to support your statement?