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    Sevyrr's Avatar
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    Sevyrr Flamesong
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    Kassatsu + Doton

    Heya, I think this is probably an old question, but I'm way too lazy to search the forum.

    (Feel free to point me in the direction of something about this if you are aware!)

    Short of it is: does Kassatsu effect the ticks of Doton, or is it just RNG inconsistency showing up in my ... calculations....
    Thanks in advance!
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    Ebonwings Drakostorm
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    You don't use Kassatsu and Doton. It a waste of dps, instead you use Doton first then Kassatsu and Raiton. This way you can maximize the effect of Kassatsu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sevyrr View Post
    Heya, I think this is probably an old question, but I'm way too lazy to search the forum.

    (Feel free to point me in the direction of something about this if you are aware!)

    Short of it is: does Kassatsu effect the ticks of Doton, or is it just RNG inconsistency showing up in my ... calculations....
    Thanks in advance!
    Yes. If you use Kass in Doton then all the dot ticks will be critical.
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    Huh guess I'm a bad NIN then XD since I always Doton, Kassatsu, and Raiton XD back to the basic for me xD
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    Zari Lutus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebonwings View Post
    Huh guess I'm a bad NIN then XD since I always Doton, Kassatsu, and Raiton XD back to the basic for me xD
    It is more you want to kassatsu into doton in aoe pulls
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    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebonwings View Post
    You don't use Kassatsu and Doton. It a waste of dps, instead you use Doton first then Kassatsu and Raiton. This way you can maximize the effect of Kassatsu.
    Kassatsu Doton combined with IR/B4B boosted Death Blossoms in large AoE pulls will provide more DPS then a single Kassatsu Raiton will in my experience.
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    Thanks guys, guess I'll get some adjustments on my NIN again XD been playing a lot of DRG lately need to rework my NIN rotation more then.
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    I was under the impression that only the first tick was a guaranteed crit. MCH works the same way with reassemble and spread shot/grenado shot.
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    Ruin Darkstride
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naelle View Post
    I was under the impression that only the first tick was a guaranteed crit. MCH works the same way with reassemble and spread shot/grenado shot.
    Doton is a persistent ground effect with multiple damage ticks, while Spread Shot and Grenado are simply AoE attacks. They aren't really comparable. It has been tested and shown that all ticks of Doton will Crit ifor it is cast under the effect of Kassatsu.

    For effective AoE, it's best to use Katon > Kassatsu > Doton, as long as the mobs will remain in the area of effect for its entire duration.
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    Kassatsu will cause all Doton ticks to crit. This can still be worth less than a Katon, however if the mobs, on average, won't be in the area of effect for at least two-thirds duration (due to death or movement).
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