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  1. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    No,No to Sneak and invisible that is one of the sole reason dungeons was boring as they were in xi cause you just walked past everything.
    Make everything ture sight on a dungeon, world enemies not. Some mobs like nms and such true sight. Sneak would still be used so as invi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    Now that's an spell worth adding Tractor full of usefulness
    When jobs come in, and not everyone can cast raise? What then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zion_Cross View Post
    When jobs come in, and not everyone can cast raise? What then?
    Not all skills would be locked out this has been said many times.
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    Not all skills would be locked out this has been said many times.
    Pretty sure reraise will be locked, and jobs skills will be locked skills. Making jobs different from classes.

    Also if it's been said many times. I've read differently. Link me up with a source yoshi saying otherwise.

    Note: I'm not trying to troll or anything. I'd like you to show me, that way we don't derail the thread.
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    Last edited by Zion_Cross; 10-29-2011 at 01:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arximiro View Post
    For those of us who like to solo the demand for re-raise items is quite high. It also is really nice to have when multiple people die and the mage needs to focus on healing and not raising.
    This ^

    Yes you can buy a potion through the GC but this is a perfect example of WHY it's needed. Your DD and Tank don't have time to stop punching L33T Ifrit in the face to raise the mages who got AoE'd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geesus View Post
    This ^

    Yes you can buy a potion through the GC but this is a perfect example of WHY it's needed. Your DD and Tank don't have time to stop punching L33T Ifrit in the face to raise the mages who got AoE'd.
    Carry the GC tonic.

    It is, in every aspect, the exact same as a Phoenix Down.

    Use it on a dead person, they are no longer dead. And it's instant.
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    Just another voice chiming in.

    Reraise and tractor should absolutely be in this game. Including an expendable reraise item. Sometimes I don't want to sneak past mobs in Mor Dhona only to get one-shotted by some freak aggro accident and end up wasting massive amounts of time over something silly.

    Not only that, but it makes EXP parties run much smoother, and if we ever get some insane 45 min+ long boss battles with several phases it might end up being quite necessary for a win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demacia View Post
    ...and if we ever get some insane 45 min+ long boss battles with several phases it might end up being quite necessary for a win.
    NO NO NO!

    We need to steer away from this right now. When death or sacrificing players becomes a necessity of strategy to win a battle, there is something wrong. Either with the game mechanics or the player strategy.

    It's like THF sacrifice pulling in Dynamis or the BCNM battle for "When Angels Fall" (back in the day) that required the whole party to die and reraise on the opposite side of the battle.

    When death becomes part of the overall strategy, there is a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alerith View Post
    NO NO NO!

    We need to steer away from this right now. When death or sacrificing players becomes a necessity of strategy to win a battle, there is something wrong. Either with the game mechanics or the player strategy.

    It's like THF sacrifice pulling in Dynamis or the BCNM battle for "When Angels Fall" (back in the day) that required the whole party to die and reraise on the opposite side of the battle.

    When death becomes part of the overall strategy, there is a problem.
    These strats are already in the game though. Not promoting it, but they are already part of the stronghold content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alerith View Post
    Carry the GC tonic.

    It is, in every aspect, the exact same as a Phoenix Down.

    Use it on a dead person, they are no longer dead. And it's instant.
    Yeah I know but what I was saying is, when you need to concentrate on the fight you don't have the time to /use or /raise someone so reraise would be nice. Tractor as well but I'd be happy with just reraise to be honest.
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