Can we get some reraise items soon?

[Demacia]

NO NO NO!

We need to steer away from this right now. When death or sacrificing players becomes a necessity of strategy to win a battle, there is something wrong. Either with the game mechanics or the player strategy.

It's like THF sacrifice pulling in Dynamis or the BCNM battle for "When Angels Fall" (back in the day) that required the whole party to die and reraise on the opposite side of the battle.

When death becomes part of the overall strategy, there is a problem.

THF sac pulling is pretty legit, but I was focusing more on CoP's airship battle vs Ultima/Omega. Reraise wasn't NECESSARY to win but jesus christ it made the fight doable on say, a solid run as opposed to an absolutely flawless one. Pre-nerf at least. Dynamis in general was just a hot, sloppy mess. Fun for the first year or so though.

[Exni]

NO NO NO!

We need to steer away from this right now. When death or sacrificing players becomes a necessity of strategy to win a battle, there is something wrong. Either with the game mechanics or the player strategy.

It's like THF sacrifice pulling in Dynamis or the BCNM battle for "When Angels Fall" (back in the day) that required the whole party to die and reraise on the opposite side of the battle.

When death becomes part of the overall strategy, there is a problem.

That would be your opinion. Sacrificing specifc players has been a strategy used in MMOs since waaay back when I first started them, and not jus in MMOs... Aside from that, I'm not sure what your issue with sac pulls has to do with this thread. Reraise would be useful and add possibilities to practically all content, and designing content with this not in mind seriously worries me. We've been getting too much of a cakewalk imo content-wise, and I hope the Dev's consider how much more challenging they could make content with common abilities like Reraise and Tractor.

[Physic]

NO NO NO!

We need to steer away from this right now. When death or sacrificing players becomes a necessity of strategy to win a battle, there is something wrong. Either with the game mechanics or the player strategy.

It's like THF sacrifice pulling in Dynamis or the BCNM battle for "When Angels Fall" (back in the day) that required the whole party to die and reraise on the opposite side of the battle.

When death becomes part of the overall strategy, there is a problem.

It shouldnt be the main mechanic i agree, and planned whole party wipes sounds like bad business. However FF is full of bosses, and monsters with things like doom 5, death spell and drop to 1 hp manuevers.

I am fine with no reraise though, because in most of those games, if everyone died you lost, and even if you cast or used a anti death ability, it would usually be something you could only do for 1 fight, not walk around for a half hour free from death worries.

[MoonKeeperr]

Hmm, how about this idea to Re Raise, It could not be 100% Raise, it be a chance effect of being Raise by it, i think this is in one of the FF games. So make it fair then to have it, So you die, will you or will you not be grant the effect, If not then you will need a mage to raise you.

[Suirieko]

NO NO NO!

We need to steer away from this right now. When death or sacrificing players becomes a necessity of strategy to win a battle, there is something wrong. Either with the game mechanics or the player strategy.

It's like THF sacrifice pulling in Dynamis or the BCNM battle for "When Angels Fall" (back in the day) that required the whole party to die and reraise on the opposite side of the battle.

When death becomes part of the overall strategy, there is a problem.

It is a perfectly fine strategy. And yes, I was main THF in Dynamis and did this quite regularly. I'm not too happy about the strategy, but it works and allows the LS to go through. IT's either sac pull, or try to kill a large group of SMN Mobs (8 or 9 of them at once), and that, quite frankly, is too much trouble.

I have to agree the punishment for death or failure in XI was much worse than XIV. If they allowed Reraise to work just like a normal raise "Zombie" fights would be very easy to pull off as the first death doesn't really deter you much from fighting hell you even raise with full "Weak" HP.

Actually, Even though the penalty for death is worse in FFXI than FFXIV (Exp Loss) face it, in FFXI, EXP loss wasn't a huge issue (and FFXI in this age, it shouldn't even be an issue at all), however, there's still dealing with weakened which can make it problematic.

FFXIV has the same thing, called Brink of death. the penalty from it is pretty significant. You want to avoid getting weakened, let alone Brink of Death, so therefore you'll still be avoid trying to die.

[Babydoll]

I feel RR is a must..espeically if they think 5 min CD on raise is ok >.>; I agree with Exni...put it in asap!

[MoonKeeperr]

Oh Boy i happy i got a answer, but i didn't want a forum fight over the subject, Maybe RR for only BCNM type of fights but in parties and etc we don't need it

[Mahayana]

Why don't we bombard the xiv twitter page during the live show with (Reraise) (Can I have it?)

[Dreamer]

Dying is a sign that you're doing something wrong, that there is a failure somewhere in your groupwork and/or methodology. There should be no auto-second-chance (otherwise death loses much of its oomph). And as Alerith said, it should NEVER be a valid part of a strategy.

[Exni]

Dying is a sign that you're doing something wrong, that there is a failure somewhere in your groupwork and/or methodology. There should be no auto-second-chance (otherwise death loses much of its oomph). And as Alerith said, it should NEVER be a valid part of a strategy.

Spoken like someone who has never touched XI.

Aside from that, where is this argument even coming from? Sacrificing has been apart of battle strategies in games since like.. the beginning. And then you try to link some 'death should be final' concept to the world of mmo's. Not to mention in FF we may 'fall', 'K.O.', 'Feint', or w/e but we surely don't ever "die" in the first place. Abilities like Reraise and Tractor can add depth to future battle designs in upcoming content. The content would be designed with these abilities already taken into account, adding the possibility of much more challenging (and imo exciting) content.

I'm with the idea to bombard Twitter during the live letter +1