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    Kakerziam's Avatar
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    Luna Vulpinae
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    Slashing Debuff Question

    Warrior can put up Storm's Eye, and Ninjas can put up Dancing Edge. These debuffs kinda fight each other. My question is, is Dancing Edge part of their dps rotation or do they just not trust the Warrior to put up Storm's Eye? Sorry for the dumb question.
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    Lindis Hrafnvandrar
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    Both debuffs make the target more vulnerable to slashing attacks, which is an essential part of both the Warrior and Ninja's rotations in terms of damage upkeep. However when you have both in the same party, I assume you could easily trust the Warrior to keep it up and focus on other things as a Ninja. Seeing as for Warrior it's more important since they need to keep Maim up.
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    Start with DE, if you see SE on the debuff bar from there stop doing DE. I always keep up SE but I constantly see NINs overriding it for no reason.
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    Ninjas use DE if they can't hit positionals also since its the highest potency attack in those scenarios. However if a warrior is with you and isn't a complete scrub he'll keep SE up at least 95% of the time, it might get low on the timer if he's had to mitigate or fell cleave but it's an essential par of the rotation for us.
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    If I see a NIN constantly doing DE on a longer fight then I just start using SP. Most "good" NINs will realize they don't have to DE since I always start each fight with SE combo and have it up pretty quickly, but in dungeons and other easy content it really isn't a big deal if both are overwriting slashing debuff since most things are shortlived in those cases. It is kind of nice though when doing massive pulls and you get down to one or two mobs and you already see that DE icon is on, but if it isn't then its not that big of a deal to just do eye yourself, or just continue to burn it down just as quickly.

    Now in raid content, and the few times I have had a NIN (we don't have one in our static sadly) I just communicate that I'll be doing SE and there's no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kali-ka View Post
    If I see a NIN constantly doing DE on a longer fight then I just start using SP. Most "good" NINs will realize they don't have to DE since I always start each fight with SE combo and have it up pretty quickly, but in dungeons and other easy content it really isn't a big deal if both are overwriting slashing debuff since most things are shortlived in those cases. It is kind of nice though when doing massive pulls and you get down to one or two mobs and you already see that DE icon is on, but if it isn't then its not that big of a deal to just do eye yourself, or just continue to burn it down just as quickly.

    Now in raid content, and the few times I have had a NIN (we don't have one in our static sadly) I just communicate that I'll be doing SE and there's no problem.
    I've told pug ninjas that in Seph ex and I think it went right over their heads because DE was up constantly.
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    Talya Stormbreaker
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    Warrior Lv 70
    I've told PUG ninjas that I keep the slashing debuff up and they're usually pretty good about not overwriting after that. But sometimes they forget. Their rotation has a lot more to worry about so usually they're happy if you can take that off the list for them. Just touch bases and let them know you've got the slashing debuts taken care of and don't simply expect them to notice you're keeping it up.
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    Miyaka Vigiles
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    As what other said

    in Static : the war should keep up the buff so the NIN can go full dmg without worrying about refreshing the slash debuff
    in Pugs: again the war should be the one to do it but some NIN forget or dont pay attention so they renew it
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    Lynn Nuvestrahl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miyaka_Vigiles View Post
    in Static : the war should keep up the buff so the NIN can go full dmg without worrying about refreshing the slash debuff
    in Pugs: again the war should be the one to do it but some NIN forget or dont pay attention so they renew it
    I would argue against this slightly. NIN keeping slashing up means they lose about 2% dps or less (small sample but tried this with a friend). A tanking WAR would then be free to keep Path up 100% of the time, gaining 10% raidwide mitigation. Switching Eye for Path is a minimal loss for WAR DPS. As an OT WAR can keep both debuffs up with no problems though, and I would personally consider the 10% mitigation overall more valuable than using Butcher's in OT position, especially in offensive tanking when MT is also in DPS stance and hate/mitigation might be a problem.

    In short, I'd go for:
    WAR MT: (WAR) Butcher's Block + Storm's Path (NIN) Dancing Edge = 10% mitigation + 10% slashing increase
    WAR OT: (WAR) Storm's Eye + Storm's Path (NIN) Aeolian Edge = 10% mitigation + 10% slashing increase + extra NIN DPS
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Overwriting it once or twice in the dungeon isn't terrible. If they overwrite it every time you put up Storm's Eye, point out that it's a loss of 60 potency every 6 sec combo, which is 10 potency per sec, which is 100 dps or more at Lv60. "You can do 100dps more if you let me do the debuff" usually gets them to stop, in my experience.
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