So, what's with the lack of Machinist in DF?

[Velhart]

The issue is that the other jobs can do all of this too. WHM/SCH/AST all have MP restoring capabilities, and for the most part the only times I ever see us needing MP songs/turrets is if people are dying and we either have died or have used our MP raising. Silence/stun/binding/heavy can be done by almost every job.

IMO if they removed all that utility from other jobs, it would make the utility that a MCH/BRD brings much more viable. Currently though, you sacrifice a 10% damage potential so that they can bring a 10% buff to other people once in awhile.

Ballad/mp turret are nice, but like it'd be nice to have more.

That is more towards a discussion if MCH/BRD deserve to be on the same line as other DPS. Argument was more that the jobs do have heavy utility, rather if its ones people agree with or not. Making what he suggests is the extreme route. It isn't to say that BRD/MCH shouldn't have better utility, but it is there. If anything, it should be revamped so BRD and MCH have more synergy on the support side. Right now you take one based on your party set up.

I'd love it if they removed DPS and actually added Utility classes too! =3

So basically BRD from FFXI? Sounds terrible and doesn't make sense in how this game is structured.