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    1.2 Needs to fix Sentinel, Tanking, and XI Class-ism.

    tl;dr

    Sentinel is broken. Requiring gladiator leveled to 36 for Ifrit is a broken mechanic that is setting a dangerous precedent for future fights.


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    Thank you for making Ifrit a challenging fight. When the servers and animation locks are fixed, I am sure this will be a thoroughly enjoyable fight.

    Unfortunately, you need to patch sentinel. The XI purist community expects everyone to level gladiator to 36 for sentinel. This type of gameplay is pathetic, masochistic, outrageous, and classist.

    I have no desire to play gladiator, nor marauder, nor pugilist. I am a fully dedicated mage.
    One of XI's worst qualities was that you had to level X job for X fight, to have X ability. Leveling those classes took months. Yes the leveling curve is easier in XIV, but no, I still don't want anything to do with gladiator, marauder, or pugilist. I don't enjoy melee classes and I want nothing to do with them.

    "But the armory system caters to leveling multiple classes." Yes, it does, and it rightfully should. Unfortunately, when you have skills like sentinel, that make such a dramatic impact to where guilds start demanding you level this class just for that fight -- you know it needs to be patched or something needs to be fixed.

    1.2 is the perfect time to fix this horrible XI mechanic. I was denied several main missions in CoP because I didn't have the right jobs leveled or the right skills. XIV needs to move away from this terrible terrible terrible terrible design for future content.

    I have been turned down by two linkshells who want me to have sentinel for Ifrit.

    Furthermore, 1.2 needs to fix tanking to where you only need one 'tank class/job' leveled up to tank sufficiently. There is no fathomable excuse for the current situation to where tanks need to level gladiator, marauder, pugilist, and occasionally thaumaturge to be a sufficient tank!!!!

    Having this 'requirement' to level multiple classes to be functional in dungeons or certain fights is ridiculous. The armory system is a perfect system to cater towards diversity and 'alternate character' play, but don't abuse it by requiring people to level. It also creates a massive barrier for newer players who want to pick up the game and say "I am going to be a tank!" Instead, they get faced with the reality of "no you cant, you need to level up four other jobs before you're good to tank."

    The armory system is one of XIV's best and most unique qualities. I means I can take the spells I enjoy the most from the classes that I want to play, and have a personalized character. If you're going to start requiring people to level against their desires it really takes away the fun of the game and further reinforces the fact that this is nothing more than a grind-fest until you have all the classes leveled to start experiencing the game.

    You shouldn't need every single class leveled to experience end game content.
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    Last edited by Tibian; 10-25-2011 at 11:38 AM.

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    The 'FFXI purist community"? Sentinel is really helpful to have in this fight, it has nothing to do with a "purist community" lol. MMORPG communities in general always thrive for efficiency and suffice to say, reducing damage taken is all about being efficient.
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    I agree 110% percent @_@ Like wdf dude I shouldnt have to put anymore time into the game to experience the content.. I already have 2 jobs fifty and most over 30 and low and behold I still get nagged at for not having sentinel..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennestia View Post
    The 'FFXI purist community"? Sentinel is really helpful to have in this fight, it has nothing to do with a "purist community" lol. MMORPG communities in general always thrive for efficiency and suffice to say, reducing damage taken is all about being efficient.
    You are correct. And like I said the armory system is perfect for that. However this is a vastly game breaking mechanic when you're required to level up a class that you have no interest in. Obligatory leveling is something XIV needs to move away from, not cater to.
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    Hahaha so XI people are the only ones Killed them? :P sounds like somesort of complex you have there.

    btw i survived Hellfire COUNTLESS time without sentinel, sentinels makes it easy.

    whats next, complain about DDs requiring cure 2s? lol
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    Goodbye, Final Fantasy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapse View Post
    Hahaha so XI people are the only ones Killed them? :P sounds like somesort of complex you have there.

    btw i survived Hellfire COUNTLESS time without sentinel, sentinels makes it easy.

    whats next, complain about DDs requiring cure 2s? lol
    Yeah so have I but people still complain if you don't have it, gets old real quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker View Post
    Yeah so have I but people still complain if you don't have it, gets old real quick.
    That's the life of MMORPGs these days (it does happen in others, even more so with certain type of Add-ons.)
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    In this case then, it's not the development team's fault; it's the players for having such a requirement that is not necessary to the accomplishment of the task at all. Human nature is dictating those 'requirements' and the only thing they can do is nerf Sentinel, but guess how many people will complain? And no amount of fixing by SE can ever fix the flaws and wants of human nature.
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    yea dont really need sentinel but its for the best actually, i survive without having it, but having it make it that much easier to survive.
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    I'd rather get an add-on that I can download in five seconds then take 3 days of my life grinding a job i'd rather not level, in WoW there are no subjobs you just have your job and you do your job... In XI there was one subjob cap it was perfect.. XIV every job is available for your use!

    1. Over complicating things
    2. Makes you have to level every job to not hear bitching from your groups.

    Conclusion : BS

    Btw i've killed ifrit close to 8 times, i've done most of endgame content, i'm midcore, and I still think this is fricken nuts.
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