Nerf "Coming Into Its Own"

[silentwindfr]

This is exactly why they haven't nerfed it yet, they aren't going to give you a free pass to the 230 weapon. They seem to be falling into a one hard, one easy step set up for it. Don't expect one hard step to be nerfed until the next comes out. If you don't like the grind, your best option is to either do it passively, just buying UI as you get the Poe/Eso/Beast/Allied currency and buying your lore weapon, then be ready for the 240 step, or just ignore the relic completely. The relic provides benefits for those who chose to grind it out, but the cost is the grind.

it really far from free pass right now, and just for a reminder, a i230 weapon (lore weapon) take only 7 week and a very very light grinding for get one. same for the i210 token weapon it can be done in the day. however, you can turn this how you want, you will need more of 3 week to pours almost all your time into it (as casual player) for get a i210 weapon.

this quest was made like this for give people a reason to stay with the 3.1 patch, and seriously i do think the i240 step will be something on par. instead to offer us a true content designed for make us feel progressing as player in our jobs that get the weapon. we need to farm low level content for get one i210 weapon, seriously?

ps: and before someone come talk me about instant gratification, it's more about getting something that are decent... make a farm worth of 3+ week of effort because... the raid is hard, when the weapon from the raid is better is a poor escuse.
even the: it's a weapon for the people that love grind, in all honesty most of the player are tired and sick of this sort of timed content. what people want is not always instant gratification but feeling rewarded for a true effort. not everyone have a static for face raid or the time to invest into it. then they want something that will make them feel like they are progressing... the token system at the base is not means to be used like it's used in FF14, it's normally for make sure people that will work hard in a content and have no luck in drop will get reward. that what was the goal of the token system in mmorpg.

but with FF14 it's did become the goal... it's become the purpose of why we play... and it's bad, in way too many way.... it's bad. it's a easy way to create content without take the risk to offer real content for a large part of the community, because soo far the part of the community doing raid is less of 10%.... means more of 90% aren't doing raid and are only working with the token system.

why?
because some don't pve (pvp player)
some don't have the time (casual player)
some don't find the appeal to partage content with that much player, that will recquire a strict execution (mid core player)
and some don't have the people for partake this sort of content

you have even the rp player that will have no interest at all into this....
but instead to offer a decent content in different group category, they focus solely on the raid part. because wow did that... and look how it work well for them now, wow is loosing tons of people per month. because they have refuse to offer new experience and try to offer new type of content.

the relic is a poor escuse for not try to offer another type of content for the endgame... and i hold against yoshida when he did said while the fanfest of london, that it was not possible to make a challenging content for 4 player... what is false! they hide behind this idea that is not possible, because most them are old player of old game and the genre didn't evolve for the last 20 years. time to wake up. before it's too late.

time to offer true content for the relic designed specially for that.
time to offer another activity for the endgame that don't involve 8 player... but 4 or 24 (for the big FC out) because hm dungeon or void ark are not that... they are poor joke.

[Whiteroom]

it really far from free pass right now, and just for a reminder, a i230 weapon (lore weapon) take only 7 week and a very very light grinding for get one. same for the i210 token weapon it can be done in the day.

You can finish the 210 in 3 weeks and the 230 in one week of concertied grinding. ( you have had 4+ months to complete the 3 week step, that means pretty light grinding... kind of a free pass)

this quest was made like this for give people a reason to stay with the 3.1 patch, and seriously i do think the i240 step will be something on par. instead to offer us a true content designed for make us feel progressing as player in our jobs that get the weapon. we need to farm low level content for get one i210 weapon, seriously?

The relic quest is not designed to be a relic quest, it is a tool the devs use to keep older content going and keep us busy, nothing more. It will likely always be this way, and that sucks, I don't disagree that it's bad for a "Relic" quest.

ps: and before someone come talk me about instant gratification, it's more about getting something that are decent... make a farm worth of 3+ week of effort because...

It should take about 4 weeks to get the relic to 230 from 200. You also save 2+ weeks of Lore that you would have to spend if you went that route. Are the three weeks plus 1000 extra Lore worth the effort.

what people want is not always instant gratification but feeling rewarded for a true effort.

True effort? you gain it passively. The only true effort is the raid weapon, and getting a static and making the time for it is part of the effort.

but with FF14 it's did become the goal... it's become the purpose of why we play... and it's bad, in way too many way.... it's bad. it's a easy way to create content without take the risk to offer real content for a large part of the community, because soo far the part of the community doing raid is less of 10%.... means more of 90% aren't doing raid and are only working with the token system.

I don't disagree that it is a bad system that they abuse. I have stated previously how I would like it to be, and that requires far too many resources for them to do it. However, nerfing the quest does not fix how it is bad.

why?
because some don't pve (pvp player)
some don't have the time (casual player)
some don't find the appeal to partage content with that much player, that will recquire a strict execution (mid core player)
and some don't have the people for partake this sort of content

you have even the rp player that will have no interest at all into this....
but instead to offer a decent content in different group category, they focus solely on the raid part. because wow did that... and look how it work well for them now, wow is loosing tons of people per month. because they have refuse to offer new experience and try to offer new type of content.

I think a language barrier got me here.

I think you are saying the relic doesn't cater to the minorities though, when it caters to everyone, if they don't have an interest, they can get the lore.

and i hold against yoshida when he did said while the fanfest of london, that it was not possible to make a challenging content for 4 player... what is false! they hide behind this idea that is not possible, because most them are old player of old game and the genre didn't evolve for the last 20 years. time to wake up. before it's too late.

Didn't see that comment, but I agree with you, though it doesn't really have much to do with the relic quest.

time to offer true content for the relic designed specially for that.
time to offer another activity for the endgame that don't involve 8 player... but 4 or 24 (for the big FC out) because hm dungeon or void ark are not that... they are poor joke.

I agree they should offer that content, but I feel it should have nothing to do with the relic quest, at least not more than a side assignment, it should not be the focus of developing that content.

[VirusChris]

You can finish the 210 in 3 weeks and the 230 in one week of concertied grinding. ( you have had 4+ months to complete the 3 week step, that means pretty light grinding... kind of a free pass)

This various between people, I'm still working on the 210 step since launch so that's about 4 months now. So, no, not exactly. Is it easy to do? Yes. Is it long. Absolutely. People pace themselves at their own speed.

The relic quest is not designed to be a relic quest, it is a tool the devs use to keep older content going and keep us busy, nothing more. It will likely always be this way, and that sucks, I don't disagree that it's bad for a "Relic" quest.

Sadly I agree with this part... it's not a "real" Relic Quest. It's just a Side-Quest to prolong old content on the game and that's bad game design. If it's not fun you're doing it wrong. I frickin' hope they change this, they changed the Zodiac Brave Weapon start because Raiders complained that a Relic was better than a Raid Weapon at the time.

It should take about 4 weeks to get the relic to 230 from 200. You also save 2+ weeks of Lore that you would have to spend if you went that route. Are the three weeks plus 1000 extra Lore worth the effort.

Again, this various between people. The fastest and most focus of people can do it in 4 weeks but for a "casual" content and for some casual players it takes longer than a month. I work as a Tax Filer and these 4 months have eaten up a lot of time so I cannot work on the Relic as much as I want. Plus I feel like I'm going to fall asleep doing the Roulettes day in and day out and even the BT Quests are getting a little tiring despite the worthwhile reward of Tier IV Materia.

True effort? you gain it passively. The only true effort is the raid weapon, and getting a static and making the time for it is part of the effort.

Well for a Weapon I'm working on I want it to feel like the "effort" was worth it and feel "truly" rewarded going through everything to improve my weapon... only for it to come short in the long run. For most Anima Weapons they're like Tier 3 Weapons where Lore Weapons are Tier 2, being the 2nd best, and finally Raid Weapons being Tier 1... the best of the best and mainly due to the stats on the Weapons. For Lore Weapons it takes 3 weeks (the same effort for the 210 Relic as you said) and 7 weeks for Midas 4 to get it unless you do Raids and get the Tomestone from the AS6-8 content and upgrade from there on the 3rd week.

For Raid Weapons if you have perfect schedule and perfect teamwork you can get it within the first few weeks. Relic here, for most people, takes way longer than 3 weeks and requires Crafter classes which the Lore and Raid Weapons don't require and so the Relic Weapon is the "weakest" of the three types of Weapons. I know this is the beginning phases of the Relic, but honestly the current formula for it is bad and the effort you put into making this Relic is worthless and mostly a waste of time. In the end if might become BiS like the Zeta Weapon was, but until then the way they're handling the Relic in HW is very poorly.

Heck, what are the Japanese players' response and thoughts are on the Anima Relic?

[Whiteroom]

This various between people, I'm still working on the 210 step since launch so that's about 4 months now. So, no, not exactly. Is it easy to do? Yes. Is it long. Absolutely. People pace themselves at their own speed.

Please re-read this is a reponse to. And what that was responding to. Not to be insulting, but your busy schedule has no bearing on what I said or if the quest should be nerfed. It is not a criteria that should be considered.

A word of advice though, if you cannont complete it in this time, either you are not doing it efficently, even with the job, or it is really not for you, and the Lore weapon is more your flavour. Just get around to completing the step passively and have the glamour, or have it for when work eases up a bit.

Also I do not agree with your assesment of it being the weekest, and think the stated criteara you used to select that was poor. In the end, even if the stats are not the prefered ones on some classes, most people won't notice the difference.