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    I gotta say, this would be pretty crazy unless it was a blm-specific trait, but even then...

    It does remind me of a more reasonable request though, to make surecast allow movement while casting. That would accomplish what you're aiming for without making swiftcast too powerful.
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Wouldnt that hurt pvp more than anything. Unless you split the timers for PVE and PVP
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    Ali Lifesaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox View Post
    Never, you never take off WM. As much as I hate WM you lose two of the most important skills the class has added.
    wut

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    so you'd rather not attack at all over taking a dmg penalty for a short period
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    wut

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    so you'd rather not attack at all over taking a dmg penalty for a short period

    Feint - nuff said - you can move an attack so no reason to ever turn off WM. It's not TP efficient but it's enough to give you a spare GCD to move. That is if you don't have a straighter shot proc ready as well.

    That said I believe MCH benefits from proper stance dancing. Bard on the other hand benefits from skill speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    wut

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    so you'd rather not attack at all over taking a dmg penalty for a short period
    if u move for 1-3s is not worth it , u remove WM and keep dpsing .....at most u will cast what 1 - 2 skills (and now u wait for GCD) to activate WM again and then start casting if only this game responded fast you could do that but we all know how this game works animation locking and casting only to be interrupted by "ghosts" , when i activate WM after moving and start casting i have a 50% chance of interruption the amount of time wasted is not worth it....
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    wouldn't be hard to adjust it for pvp, and keep it as it is now.

    My thought was if they continue with movement intensive fights, it can become an issue.
    I know of some groups that won't even take a BLM to certain fights, just because of this.

    If in the future this is the new trend then they would have to do something.

    Edit* Also people are saying it would add crazy dps? How exactly, I can't see a way it would increase dps by any huge margin.
    And yeah make it a BLM exclusive trait would be the best way.
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    Last edited by kingatlas; 04-05-2016 at 03:30 PM.

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    I don't mind this change, I know where you are coming from OP. But please hear me out. SE consider this ability to be.. situational and something that to be used in a critical situation. They don't intent BLMs to move around freely with 30sec instant cast. Instead, they want BLMs to be heavy hitters with consequences (movement limitation). I know this because this was mentioned many times by the Japanese devs. But, there is still hope... maybe in the next level cap. I could see them reduce CD specifically for BLMs. But, definitely not by 50%. Take WHM stoneskin as an example. We would probably see CD reduced to 50 sec, name it: enhanced casting+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    wut

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    so you'd rather not attack at all over taking a dmg penalty for a short period
    You apply dots, hit iron jaws, run out of aoe and continue rotation. Your damage is never dropping off, plus with the rework of bloodletter/rain of death you should have almost a 100% instant recast. Those skills aren't tethered to the effects of WM and allow you to move and attack. Not to mention flaming arrow should be littering the ground on every fight you get into.


    Quote Originally Posted by Klamor View Post
    Not entirely true. There are definitely times when it is perfectly acceptable to turn off WM for movement. Generally, from what I've read, and been told myself, the threshold is somewhere in the 4-second range. If you're moving for longer than that, you're probably moving too much, and if you move less than that, you're OK with just keeping WM up and not attacking.

    If you're doing content where you don't have enough notice for a random AOE that causes you to miss Iron Jaws refreshing your dots, you're probably running content where it doesn't really matter if your dots fall off. Otherwise, if you're doing content that actually means something (read: savage, extremes) then you should know the fight well enough that you can anticipate when you'll have to move, and how far you'll have to run, and you can adjust your WM usage accordingly to be most efficient. Otherwise, if your dots are refreshed, and you're not about to fire off a Barrage + Empyrean Arrow, you're not losing anything other than the 30% damage buff for a few seconds by turning off WM and still being able to reapply Straight Shot, Flaming Arrow, or Blunt Arrow for a silence.
    There is NO time you're not attacking as I just pointed out, your dots should never be falling off with iron jaws and we learned from 2.0 that straight shot should NEVER fall off. The rework to bloodletter/rain of death is the reason why you never drop them off as they should be 100% instant recast and they allow you to move and attack, as does using blunt arrow and the critical version of straight shot. If you're letting those fall off and have to remove WM and deal with lack of damage, a 15 second cool down and lockout out of two important skills, just to move, then you're playing the class wrong.
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    Last edited by Jetstream_Fox; 04-05-2016 at 05:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingatlas View Post

    (see sephi X)

    Now I know that the dungeons are doable as a caster like blm, but this would just add more usefulness to swiftcast, without creating a tonne of other problems.

    I don't see any negatives at this time, but I don't play as a healer, so if there is any real negatives anyone can bring up i'm all ears aswell.
    Seph ex isn't really a hard fight for blm, its just learning where to stand.

    Take for instance the beginning of P3, there is actually time get 1 fire cast off before you need to move for twister. So you just do your F1 opener here, F3P to get into position of orb and burst away. The only downside is 50/50 chance your going to be under the right orb, so theres a chance leylines isn't going to be fully utilised.

    The only part where the movement causes an issue is the knockback stage of P3 but every job has an issue here.

    With each kill I do, im noticing things i can do differently to increase dps. My first run 1000 dps, then 1050. Im up to consistent 1250dps now after 8 kills, with a few more kills i should be able to start hitting 1400+ quite easily.
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    Last edited by whythehate; 04-05-2016 at 05:35 PM.

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    On a BLM maybe through a trait.

    On a healer, it would be a little too OP. Being able to instaraise or negate the aspect of healing while moving more frequently would be too much.
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