I think this game could use a warlock class.

[FeliAiko]

I like how every time there's a cry for a 'traditional Summoner' it tends to refer to the XI version... which is merely iteration of the FFX SMN, which in turn is another iteration of the Job from previous FFs. In other words, there's hardly been a 'traditional' SMN since the Job in question has always been something different throughout the FF series. Only common link they've all had is they summon things. Well in XIV, they summon 'shades' of a Primal's power (Egi), so the definition still fits. You don't have to like the iteration of SMN here, but let's not act as if SE's somehow done a complete disservice to a Job that's hardly had a consistent, defining identity in the first place, compared to actual traditional Jobs like BLM, WHM, DRG, etc.

[Mael-bess]

I like how every time there's a cry for a 'traditional Summoner' it tends to refer to the XI version... which is merely iteration of the FFX SMN, which in turn is another iteration of the Job from previous FFs. In other words, there's hardly been a 'traditional' SMN since the Job in question has always been something different throughout the FF series. Only common link they've all had is they summon things. Well in XIV, they summon 'shades' of a Primal's power (Egi), so the definition still fits. You don't have to like the iteration of SMN here, but let's not act as if SE's somehow done a complete disservice to a Job that's hardly had a consistent, defining identity in the first place, compared to actual traditional Jobs like BLM, WHM, DRG, etc.

You know what's also common with all those other FF titles except FFXIV? Summons were always massive, threatening entities, that you call once in a while to destroy your enemies. Not pokemon versions of them that you have constantly by your side in battle.

[FeliAiko]

You know what's also common with all those other FF titles except FFXIV? Summons were always massive, threatening entities, that you call once in a while to destroy your enemies. Not pokemon versions of them that you have constantly by your side in battle.

Doesn't matter how you slice it, XIV's SMN still fulfills the criteria off the fact that, like the others before it, they summon things. Whether it's screen-filling size avatars or otherwise is irrelevant. Your dislike of the XIV SMN doesn't mean it's not a SMN.

[Mael-bess]

Doesn't matter how you slice it, XIV's SMN still fulfills the criteria off the fact that, like the others before it, they summon things. Whether it's screen-filling size avatars or otherwise is irrelevant. Your dislike of the XIV SMN doesn't mean it's not a SMN.

Loads of games have classes that summon things (WoW Warlock, GW necromancer, ect), that doesn't makes them summoners (FF summoners). The fact they are this way in FFXIV is mostly to not get in the way of gameplay, like many folks have stated, such as summons too big will clutter your screen.
But you are right, this is my opinion, i don't like how they are here while having previous FF's in mind, SE has every right to call them summoners, i just don't agree with it.