Lessons from red scrips for 3.3

**Mindy_Macready** · 04-01-2016 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

I'm puzzled by your request. Red scrips dont need any special materials and certainly not favor items. I'm guessing you mean the crafted tools/doh gear?

You need DoL items to buy the red scrip crafting mats. I'm saying remove the DoL requirement and just let us spend red scrips.

**Caitlinzulu** · 04-01-2016 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Mindy_Macready

You need DoL items to buy the red scrip crafting mats. I'm saying remove the DoL requirement and just let us spend red scrips.

Still dont quite understand. You can either buy the favor items and turn them in for crafting materials (does use a red scrip token yes) and craft the 170 meldable gear or spend the red scrips directly and get a 180 gear that you dont have to meld. So you can already ignore the DoL items.

Currently i have a mix of both on my crafters, my alchemist is using full red scrip gear not a single DoL item used except for the materials in getting the red scrips in the first place.
My wvr, ltw and bsm use mainly crafted 170 gear.

**Mindy_Macready** · 04-01-2016 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Still dont quite understand. You can either buy the favor items and turn them in for crafting materials (does use a red scrip token yes) and craft the 170 meldable gear or spend the red scrips directly and get a 180 gear that you dont have to meld. So you can already ignore the DoL items.

I'm saying they should cut the DoL item from the equation when turning them in for crafting materials. Like I said in the original post, my server has had ssiesu where you actually couldn't buy the favor items because there weren't enough on the marketboard to do anything of use with them.

The option of buying 180 gear was nice for those wanting to go at a slower pace and not have to meld, but the gear is inferior and couldn't even hit 3 star minimums without food that removed the chance of using CP food.

**RiceisNice** · 04-01-2016 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Still dont quite understand. You can either buy the favor items and turn them in for crafting materials (does use a red scrip token yes) and craft the 170 meldable gear or spend the red scrips directly and get a 180 gear that you dont have to meld. So you can already ignore the DoL items.
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IF you went with full red scrip gears without any crafted gear (you dont use any gathering tokens), you wouldn't meet stat requirements for any of the three stars. It's a situation where you need to spend crafting and gathering tokens if you want to get anywhere in the crafting scene (because honestly, the gear you get from trading in tokens is medicore at best), while at the same time, it's created an environment where crafters can't make anything except for other crafters (and only recently, combat classes and those aren't even BiS)

Originally Posted by Mindy_Macready

The option of buying 180 gear was nice for those wanting to go at a slower pace and not have to meld, but the gear is inferior and couldn't even hit 3 star minimums without food that removed the chance of using CP food.

You're nowhere near the stat requirements even with food. You have to have some sort of melded pieces to meet the 3 star requirements. My primary issue is how they handled what crafters could make in general (the absence of making gear for gatherers for example), and the concept of favors in general. It's not fun and it's monotonous grinding in the truest sense (espesically when they intially had it at 15 minutes and you needed 10 of each to get materials for one craft) on top of being an incredible time sink.

**FoxyAreku** · 04-05-2016 04:59 AM

Favors are indeed stupid. Especially since you have to give up gearing your gatherers to do them enough to gear your crafters.... :/

I have no problem with red scrips as they are though. Way easier and less expensive than the synths for 2.0 master books were.

**raela** · 04-01-2016 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Still dont quite understand. You can either buy the favor items and turn them in for crafting materials (does use a red scrip token yes) and craft the 170 meldable gear or spend the red scrips directly and get a 180 gear that you dont have to meld. So you can already ignore the DoL items.

Currently i have a mix of both on my crafters, my alchemist is using full red scrip gear not a single DoL item used except for the materials in getting the red scrips in the first place.
My wvr, ltw and bsm use mainly crafted 170 gear.

Problem is that you have to choose between upgrading your DoH or DoL with favors - so for someone who wants to upgrade all classes (thus i180 is too slow), it's frustrating.

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