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    Lessons from red scrips for 3.3

    Red scrips are a boring, yet-another-weekly-grind added to a game that has more than enough weeklies and dailies.

    But if you're going to continue this system with the next set of gear, can you please not require DoL items for purchasing crafting mats? For the longest time on my server, it wasn't even possible to purchase the favor items because they just weren't going on the marketboard.
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    I still want to smack whoever thought it was a fun/good ideas to implement favors. Even conceptually it's a snorefest (grinding nodes over and over), let alone fifteen minutes of it (and a minimum of 30 just to do one craft out of the 2-5 needed for a piece of gear)
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    I'm puzzled by your request. Red scrips dont need any special materials and certainly not favor items. I'm guessing you mean the crafted tools/doh gear?

    Seems a reasonable request at first sight not to require DoL items but how would you get the materials used instead?

    I agree the favor items are something of a fail. Every time i work up the courage to start getting my own i read a guide and immidiately go Nope not doing that. Like we havent got enough RNG in the game they make gathering even more luck based. Also i seriously dislike playing on a timer.
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    I want the progress like 2.0 . Using red scrip totally not as fun as 2.0 . (Also make Lucis alive again)
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    The current system works for mats, but God is it tedious. Making favor gathering less of a time sink would do wonders for keeping me out of a catatonic state. Though, I'd take gathering scripts as they are for farming mats over farming Diadem for them any day.
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    But but diadem farming is soo much fun. Takes some skill in judging if a node is doable or if the mob protects it too well.

    I never did a single favor. Allways bought the items off the marketboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu View Post
    I'm puzzled by your request. Red scrips dont need any special materials and certainly not favor items. I'm guessing you mean the crafted tools/doh gear?
    You need DoL items to buy the red scrip crafting mats. I'm saying remove the DoL requirement and just let us spend red scrips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindy_Macready View Post
    You need DoL items to buy the red scrip crafting mats. I'm saying remove the DoL requirement and just let us spend red scrips.
    Still dont quite understand. You can either buy the favor items and turn them in for crafting materials (does use a red scrip token yes) and craft the 170 meldable gear or spend the red scrips directly and get a 180 gear that you dont have to meld. So you can already ignore the DoL items.

    Currently i have a mix of both on my crafters, my alchemist is using full red scrip gear not a single DoL item used except for the materials in getting the red scrips in the first place.
    My wvr, ltw and bsm use mainly crafted 170 gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu View Post
    Still dont quite understand. You can either buy the favor items and turn them in for crafting materials (does use a red scrip token yes) and craft the 170 meldable gear or spend the red scrips directly and get a 180 gear that you dont have to meld. So you can already ignore the DoL items.
    I'm saying they should cut the DoL item from the equation when turning them in for crafting materials. Like I said in the original post, my server has had ssiesu where you actually couldn't buy the favor items because there weren't enough on the marketboard to do anything of use with them.

    The option of buying 180 gear was nice for those wanting to go at a slower pace and not have to meld, but the gear is inferior and couldn't even hit 3 star minimums without food that removed the chance of using CP food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu View Post
    Still dont quite understand. You can either buy the favor items and turn them in for crafting materials (does use a red scrip token yes) and craft the 170 meldable gear or spend the red scrips directly and get a 180 gear that you dont have to meld. So you can already ignore the DoL items.
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    IF you went with full red scrip gears without any crafted gear (you dont use any gathering tokens), you wouldn't meet stat requirements for any of the three stars. It's a situation where you need to spend crafting and gathering tokens if you want to get anywhere in the crafting scene (because honestly, the gear you get from trading in tokens is medicore at best), while at the same time, it's created an environment where crafters can't make anything except for other crafters (and only recently, combat classes and those aren't even BiS)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mindy_Macready View Post

    The option of buying 180 gear was nice for those wanting to go at a slower pace and not have to meld, but the gear is inferior and couldn't even hit 3 star minimums without food that removed the chance of using CP food.
    You're nowhere near the stat requirements even with food. You have to have some sort of melded pieces to meet the 3 star requirements. My primary issue is how they handled what crafters could make in general (the absence of making gear for gatherers for example), and the concept of favors in general. It's not fun and it's monotonous grinding in the truest sense (espesically when they intially had it at 15 minutes and you needed 10 of each to get materials for one craft) on top of being an incredible time sink.
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