Thread: Lessons from red scrips for 3.3

I want the progress like 2.0 . Using red scrip totally not as fun as 2.0 . (Also make Lucis alive again)

The current system works for mats, but God is it tedious. Making favor gathering less of a time sink would do wonders for keeping me out of a catatonic state. Though, I'd take gathering scripts as they are for farming mats over farming Diadem for them any day.

But but diadem farming is soo much fun. Takes some skill in judging if a node is doable or if the mob protects it too well.

I never did a single favor. Allways bought the items off the marketboard.

MIN is one of the 2 jobs I actually play regularly and I haven't even bothered with doing favors (though I do have something like 60 tokens right now and all red scrip gear for MIN). I'm not exactly sure why, but the system just doesn't appeal to me. Really the collectibles system in general doesn't appeal to me greatly. They essentially created a leveling/ progression track for crafting and gathering that removes LOTS of materials from the market. I feel like I do a healthy amount of gathering, but I almost never gather anything that's usable (for crafting) anymore.

Legendary/ unspoiled nodes and the like are/ were ok... but I think I'd almost prefer that any of those items just be fairly rare hidden items on normal nodes. It feels very strange that gathering while leveling (ignoring collectibles) or for specific materials is very relaxed and casual, but gathering endgame is all about keeping a tight schedule and teleporting all over the world at the right times. Well, I suppose the schedule isn't that tight. A lot of hurry up and wait going on while we recover GP and wait for the 2:45 window to open.

As far as the way they handle scrips going forward, I'm not expecting things to change much, let alone change to how I'd like them, but I do hope that they just remove favors, or at least provide crafted gathering gear so that gatherers don't have to choose quite so strictly between gearing up or using favors. And really, just put the actual item needed for crafting on the node. Why bother with this silly 10:1 trade system for already heavily restricted items?

In ARR (2.0 - 2.....3?) the best crafting and gathering gear required really rather insignificant amounts of unspoiled node items and some pieces didn't require any. Maybe that was too easy, but how did we make the jump from that to this!? I guess it was too easy to be self sufficient before and they wanted to enliven the market, but I think it mostly just made people work harder at being self sufficient and get pissed off.

Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

...Red and blue scrips haven't gotten any additional methods of obtaining them...

I'd like to agree with you, but really they did add periwinkle, eventide jade, and I forget what exactly for FSH. These can be gathered at any time, relatively easily in groups of 2 for a total of 10 red scrips (for MIN, and BOT -- again I'm unsure of FSH). Sure it's not much, but I make sure to get a few while I'm looking for a treasure map.

Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

Especially for gathering red scrips. Sticking those into timed nodes is a serious annoyance. While combat classes and crafters can work on their weekly tomes/scrips at any point, forcing gatherers to find 4-5 hours out of a week to camp nodes

Get the folklore books, I spent about 90 minutes last night capping off my weekly red scrips while watching TV.

Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Get the folklore books, I spent about 90 minutes last night capping off my weekly red scrips while watching TV.

This always raises an interesting point for me. Your entertaining yourself with something else WHILE playing a video game that should be entertaining you in the first place. If i have to do something else while playing a game then there is something wrong with the game in question.

Originally Posted by Katchoo

This always raises an interesting point for me. Your entertaining yourself with something else WHILE playing a video game that should be entertaining you in the first place. If i have to do something else while playing a game then there is something wrong with the game in question.

This is easy enough to say, but think about it. If we're going to have a crafting/gathering system in the first place, then items will need to be gathered. Gathering is pretty much inherently a repetative process. Anything repetative - ANYTHING - will become routine and boring if done for long enough. So, really, the only way to "fix" the system would be to remove gathering entirely. And this also includes DoM/DoW gathering (killing monsters for meat, skins, bones, and such), as that can also be repetative.

Maybe that does appeal to you, but keep in mind that while this kind of thing can be considered "work", there's a considerable portion of the playerbase who would not be happy to see it go. Why? Because they're producing something. They may not enjoy the actual work, but they get satisfaction from producing something as a result of that work. Much like real life, really. And just as in real life, when performing the work, players will come up with ways to pass the time more enjoyably. While working in real life, a worker might listen to music, for example.

On another topic touched on in this thread, Crafter/Gatherers in this game aren't fond of the Favor gathering system. For these people Ooids and such aren't a product; they're just a frustrating step in a long, convoluted crafting process. Straight gatherers, on the other hand, after a few hours work gathering these things now have an inventory full of saleable goods to unload for sweet, sweet profit.

The Favor gathering system was put into place in a large part for much the same reason that the specialist system was: too many people were doing everything themselves. It was far from uncommon for a crafter to have every craft leveled, and every gatherer leveled as well. These crafter/gatherers would gather all their own ingredients, and craft all their own items. Folks weren't buying each others' goods, and this hit gatherers particularly hard; while it was possible for gatherers to make a modest profit pre-Heavensward, honestly there were a lot of better ways to make money. With the Favor system in play, however, trying to do it all yourself became a LOT more time-intensive. I think that SE was hoping that the Crafter/Gatherers would choose one or the other to focus on. (The specialist system was even less successful due to the almost non-existent benefits of specialization; SE pretty much had to brute-force the issue by introducing specialist-only recipes.)

So, for all you folks complaining about how SE needs to make the process easier, cuz it just takes too long to do anything, well, that's just was SE wanted to happen! For straight gatherers, favor items are among the most profitable things they can dig up. Asking SE to remove the Favor requirement of the crafting process is pretty much straight-up asking SE to make gathering unprofitable again. For folks that insist on being top-notch both as gatherers and as crafters, you're just going to have to deal with the added time-sink.