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  1. #11
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    I've just been doing Crit and Determination.
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    I entered Midas Savage yesterday for the first time as SCH. I hear that my accuracy was 97% without any melds, so I've decided to meld crit to everything I can (that isn't capped on crit yet, that means) and then accuracy for every other slot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    I entered Midas Savage yesterday for the first time as SCH. I hear that my accuracy was 97% without any melds, so I've decided to meld crit to everything I can (that isn't capped on crit yet, that means) and then accuracy for every other slot.
    You need around 605 accuracy on midas 4 savage. Even midas 1 savage is around 540. Either you were very lucky or just casting the spells that have no accuracy requirement.
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    Akihiko Hoshie
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    About the deter
    It only got nerf on auto attack
    But never change for skill
    The only thing is that... Due to the 10 more level of HW WE need a lot more determination to make it worth it.

    Trying out A5S tonight (finally because my static was adamant about doing sephirot first then midas...)
    We will see...

    Right now as AST either diurnal or nocturnal i never had issue with my mana and the super powered LA
    (With AST or SCH you can do sephirot without mana song XD)

    Let's see how it turn out on midas XP
    Can't wait !
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael View Post
    You need around 605 accuracy on midas 4 savage. Even midas 1 savage is around 540. Either you were very lucky or just casting the spells that have no accuracy requirement.
    @Taika - I concur with this comment from DakmoonVael. Since you don't have any accuracy melds in your gear according to your Lodestone, I imagine your main source of DPS was primarily from DoTs, where 3/5 of them can't miss (assuming you CC'd Aero).

    Remember, as a SCH or AST, when checking for accuracy you can't include DoTs that don't miss (Bio, Bio II, Shadowflare, Combust, Combust II) because they'll skew your results.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    @Taika - I concur with this comment from DakmoonVael. Since you don't have any accuracy melds in your gear according to your Lodestone, I imagine your main source of DPS was primarily from DoTs, where 3/5 of them can't miss (assuming you CC'd Aero).

    Remember, as a SCH or AST, when checking for accuracy you can't include DoTs that don't miss (Bio, Bio II, Shadowflare, Combust, Combust II) because they'll skew your results.
    I'm well aware of this. I'm also aware that I could reach 100% accuracy if I would do full accuracy melds. However, since my total miss percentage from running A5S for 2,5 hours was that low without any melds, I decided to go for crit melds instead of accuracy, since I think removing that low-ish miss % is not worth all the crit I'd lose from for full accuracy melds instead of as much crit as possible.
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    I like that view of thing (ok maybe on M4S it will be impossible but nevermind)

    I wish I could overmeld piety on 4th and 5th slot...
    No one consider this stat as a primary...
    It's our secondary stat...

    Unlock it SE purrrlease ! *miqote eyes*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    I'm well aware of this. I'm also aware that I could reach 100% accuracy if I would do full accuracy melds. However, since my total miss percentage from running A5S for 2,5 hours was that low without any melds, I decided to go for crit melds instead of accuracy, since I think removing that low-ish miss % is not worth all the crit I'd lose from for full accuracy melds instead of as much crit as possible.
    I only bring it up because I'm not sure if the person who's parsing for you understands the nuances of SCH DPS. If s/he is telling you "you have 97% accuracy" but only checking the All Attack Rows, that's obviously going to skew your results. There are differing levels of player knowledge and the person who's giving you this information may not be giving you the correct information and the red flag for me in this instance was the "97% accuracy" statement.

    Just to be clear, I can respect your decision and I'm not arguing against your decision. However, I do feel its very important to base your decision on accurate data. For example, if your Broils are doing 50 DPS worth of damage in a fight but hitting at 33% accuracy that means you're losing an additional 100 DPS on top of that (effectively tripling your Broil DPS). But you wouldn't know this if the person examining you looked the overarching attack hit % without realizing you have 100% accurate DoTs and thus skewing your end result.

    Just some food for thought for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nekotee View Post
    I like that view of thing (ok maybe on M4S it will be impossible but nevermind)

    I wish I could overmeld piety on 4th and 5th slot...
    No one consider this stat as a primary...
    It's our secondary stat...

    Unlock it SE purrrlease ! *miqote eyes*
    I DON'T SEE A MIQO'TE HERE! =p
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    I only bring it up because I'm not sure if the person who's parsing for you understands the nuances of SCH DPS. If s/he is telling you "you have 97% accuracy" but only checking the All Attack Rows, that's obviously going to skew your results. There are differing levels of player knowledge and the person who's giving you this information may not be giving you the correct information and the red flag for me in this instance was the "97% accuracy" statement.

    Just to be clear, I can respect your decision and I'm not arguing against your decision. However, I do feel its very important to base your decision on accurate data. For example, if your Broils are doing 50 DPS worth of damage in a fight but hitting at 33% accuracy that means you're losing an additional 100 DPS on top of that (effectively tripling your Broil DPS). But you wouldn't know this if the person examining you looked the overarching attack hit % without realizing you have 100% accurate DoTs and thus skewing your end result.

    Just some food for thought for you.
    I see your point, but on the other hand what counts in an actual fight is your total accuracy, including all spells used in the fight, even those that can't miss. So if I'm using the spells I'd normally use in specific fight, and someone tells me my total accuracy in that fight, that number is valid and the most important number to base my melding decision on. Now if I were to go in A5S and only use Broil, and I would ask someone to parse my accuracy from there, I would get my accuracy % for the spells that can miss in that instance, but since that's not how I would ever play that instance on SCH, the number wouldn't be useful to me.
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    Speaking about food... Using some high accuracy food may help to reduce the melding... I should look at that if I eventually go for possible accuracy track...

    Oh wait until my ugly actualités pic change back to my Cute little deadly Kitty !
    (This pic... I can't even... Just whyyyyy ?!)
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