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  1. #11
    Player PArcher's Avatar
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    Kytre Ashaer
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ZeratoTyrael View Post
    I guess it's one of those things where they felt like they just wanted it to be standard across the board now. Everyone else has to buy theirs all at once so I assume it was just to make it an even standard for the future.
    The other option is forcing PLD to buy the Sword and Shield together as well. No more spending 300 tomes for the shield week 1, you have to wait til week 3 and have the token to get it.

    I would guess they wanted to do this, but couldn't with the way the buy screen works currently
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  2. #12
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    Sam Lihzeh
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    Cactuar
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    Bard Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashenspire View Post
    As it currently stands, the Lore Shield is the best shield in the game. The Lore Sword is not. Because of how the Lore Sword and Shield are both required to trade in, a PLD is forced to spend 700 Lore they could spend on other pieces for a sword they may never actually use.
    Weapon damage will always trump bad substats. Like seriously, this will never not be the case.
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  3. #13
    Player PArcher's Avatar
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    Kytre Ashaer
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    Quote Originally Posted by jssanderson747 View Post
    Weapon damage will always trump bad substats. Like seriously, this will never not be the case.
    Shield has no weapon damage. Just Block Strength, Block Rate, STR, VIT and secondaries.

    So if the secondaries outweigh the loss of VIT and STR its definitely worth it to use the 240
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    Last edited by PArcher; 03-31-2016 at 01:51 PM.

  4. #14
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    Zari Lutus
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    Shield has no weapon damage. Just Block Strength, Block Rate, STR, VIT and secondaries.

    So if the secondaries outweigh the loss of VIT and STR its definitely worth it to use the 240
    I think when he said that he was referring to the sword not the shield
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  5. #15
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Next Patch: Sword and Shields can no longer be used in a mismatched fashion. EX You cant Equip a 220 Sephirot Blade with a 230 Lore Shield. It has come to our attention that PLDs have had too many choices about gear progression and this is causing them too much pain, so we are no longer allowing mismatched One hands without their shield counterpart. Please look forward to it.
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  6. #16
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    Tenebria Miku
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    Behemoth
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    how exactly is that a disadvantage?
    everyone has to pay 1000 lore for their weapon, Having it split into sword and shield is no different

    would you rather they make it so swords and shields are a single "sword and shield" item and lose the bit of extra customization that only paladins have?
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  7. #17
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    Klamor Oli
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 60
    One thing I've been continuously irked about regarding the sword and shield is that they always have different stats between the two. Sure, this adds a bit of customization option, but for the most part we're always still gonna go for those higher item levels regardless of the secondary stats. The issue comes in when you compare the sword/shield combo to the other two tanks' weapons. Most notable is previously when Parry wasn't regarded as poorly as it is now, and the Curtana was Parry + Accuracy, and the Holy Shield was Parry + Skill Speed, during the time when Skill Speed was arguably the least desirable stat for any TP using job. (Why not just put Accuracy on the shield instead of Speed?) If they took the Sword's stats and spread them to the Shield, we'd end up with the same stat spread per point as the other tanks (at that time, just warrior). That trend still continues today where WAR/DRK are being hooked up with tons of Crit and Det, and even Skill Speed occasionally (don't get me wrong, they get Parry now and then, too) while when PLD does get lucky to get Crit on the Sword (which would give us the largest value because of higher stat caps on the sword) we always end up losing out because inevitably the shield will have Parry. Or, if the sword has Parry, we end up where we're enticed to forego our main stats just to pick up more desirable secondary stats.

    TL;DR, why don't the sword and shield just have the same stats, spread across the two items for a given item level the same as WAR/DRK for their one item?
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolCat View Post
    PLD seems to be always screw on gear. Drops from boss even, why not just drop the sword and shield together.
    It's a fact now that they drop togheter after 3.2
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  9. #19
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nihility View Post
    how exactly is that a disadvantage?
    everyone has to pay 1000 lore for their weapon, Having it split into sword and shield is no different
    the disadvantage is everyone else have to pay the 1000 lore OR have to finish relic OR have to loot A8S weapon. a paladin has to spend 1000 lore AND has to finish the relic / loot A8S weapon for their prefered setup.
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