Should tanks ask to do big pulls?

[TheOneSena]

I'm trying to level up a WHM currently and I've never used a casting class (in any mmo ever) so of course i'm going to a newbie at it. If a tank pull big at the request of another (let's say they're in TS) and doesn't tell the healer and wipe...does the healer get blamed? I ask because i had a similar experience and was blamed but...they never even asked me if i could do big pulls. Do players expect a healer they get in df to be good at the job all the time? WHM is fun for my first "MP" based class. I'm not mad or anything or towards the players that blamed me even though no one told me. All a tank has to is ask...I know its easy to get carried away when you're used to doing something a certain way for a while but asking before pulling is the polite thing to do that's all. It was only 1 experience so again..i'm not sour about it but i am worried that it's something i'll be going through.

"Welcome to the world of Healing" I guess.

[Archvile78]

I tend to examine the healer's gear before attempting any big pull, while i know the gear isn't everything it gives me a rough idea.

Of course, if it goes south i apologize but no, i wouldn't blame the healer considering i didnt warn them beforehand.

[ElHeggunte]

The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of those who assume a healer can handle big pulls instead of taking two seconds to ask first.

[Vespar]

As a healer, I think you should try to assume that every tank will do big pulls. This way you are prepared for it. While its nice that some tanks will specify they are doing big pulls, it has become the norm and therefore most wont blink an eye and immediately will assume the healer can roll with it.

If you arent confident in your ability to handle large pulls (within reason) then I'd suggest making that known at the beginning of the party beforehand.

Ultimately should a wipe occur, I'm of the mindset that both healer and tank share the blame as either could have expressed their preference in the beginning.

[M0xie]

As a healer, I think you should try to assume that every tank will do big pulls. This way you are prepared for it. While its nice that some tanks will specify they are doing big pulls, it has become the norm and therefore most wont blink an eye and immediately will assume the healer can roll with it.

If you arent confident in your ability to handle large pulls (within reason) then I'd suggest making that known at the beginning of the party beforehand.

Ultimately should a wipe occur, I'm of the mindset that both healer and tank share the blame as either could have expressed their preference in the beginning.

I don't think anyone should assume either way but they do. Just like the new person message, they don't call out who it is to give that person a little breathing room. It's called courtesy, and it would be nice if more people expressed it. It wouldn't kill a tank to ask since big pulls are the exception in my opinion not a new healer.

[Vespar]

I don't think anyone should assume either way but they do. Just like the new person message, they don't call out who it is to give that person a little breathing room. It's called courtesy, and it would be nice if more people expressed it. It wouldn't kill a tank to ask since big pulls are the exception in my opinion not a new healer.

Basically I meant, "Hope for the best, but be ready for the worst".
As a healer I tend to be prepared for all hell to break loose. Then when it happens Im not rushing to play catch up on heals. ^^;

Thanks for the responses, If the tank doesn't say anything i'll speak up let it be known if i'm comfortable or not. I'll try to do better as a healer and take what you all have said and apply it. oh the tank was a WAR and had a BRD,DRG.

The more you play, the more comfortable you'll become in your role. Good luck

[Bourne_Endeavor]

As a healer, I think you should try to assume that every tank will do big pulls. This way you are prepared for it. While its nice that some tanks will specify they are doing big pulls, it has become the norm and therefore most wont blink an eye and immediately will assume the healer can roll with it.

If you arent confident in your ability to handle large pulls (within reason) then I'd suggest making that known at the beginning of the party beforehand.

Ultimately should a wipe occur, I'm of the mindset that both healer and tank share the blame as either could have expressed their preference in the beginning.

While I agree with you in theory, it's still not the healer's responsibility to assume a big pull, but the tank's to warn them ahead of time or accept fault should their pull cause a wipe. Mobs are grouped in 3-5 for a reason after all. People's impatience is not an excuse, even if the healer doesn't express their preference beforehand.

So, no, OP. Healers shouldn't be blamed. The only exception might be if after a wipe or two, they still don't ask if the tank could not pull so much because they're having trouble.

[Nyalia]

So, no, OP. Healers shouldn't be blamed. The only exception might be if after a wipe or two, they still don't ask if the tank could not pull so much because they're having trouble.

Healers shouldn't be blamed. But, there's nothing with with the tank expecting people to want the usual. I do agree that there's no reason to throw blame around if there's a wipe though, though a wipe is a great reason to ask if the party wants something other than the usual.

[Noshpan]

As a melee DPS, I don't think it hurts to ask. "Hey, are you guys okay if I do a big pull to see how this group handles it?"

During the entire 2.+ line I've had one tank stop after the first pull and go "Oh shit, I have a MNK & DRG. Time to adjust my pulls." Sure, the healer, MNK & I were able to handle that big pull, it just took awhile.

[Geula]

Tanks have mitigation cooldowns and what not, if they pull big and you do not see buff icons coming up and they blame you, just tell them politely that they did not even try to mitigate the damage in any form. They should be rotating their mitigation in 4 man dungeons anyway since it would allow you as a healer to DPS, higher level play I do not know, maybe the tanks at Heavensward content pull in dps stance. Wouldn't be too worried about it in any case.