I just don't get it.

[Ilitsa]

In my opinion, it's not about gearing up or anything like that. I genuinely love the game, heck I haven't even stepped into thordan or sephirot ex yet, haven't touched midas, but I enjoy leveling my classes, running dungeons, tomestones is simply a side effect to what I love doing. I think that's the point that a lot of people are missing, because they're so focused on gear. This is by far NOT a progressive MMO. You have to find the niche you enjoy and just do it. So what if new gear comes out 3 months down the road? Are you having fun NOW? THAT is what is important.

[Krissey]

In my opinion, it's not about gearing up or anything like that. I genuinely love the game, heck I haven't even stepped into thordan or sephirot ex yet, haven't touched midas, but I enjoy leveling my classes, running dungeons, tomestones is simply a side effect to what I love doing. I think that's the point that a lot of people are missing, because they're so focused on gear. This is by far NOT a progressive MMO. You have to find the niche you enjoy and just do it. So what if new gear comes out 3 months down the road? Are you having fun NOW? THAT is what is important.

Took the words right out of my mouth. I keep myself busy with random side projects but just genuinely love the "Combat Loop" if you will so the whole game is fun. I enjoy gathering and crafting too.

[Critical-Limit]

In my opinion, it's not about gearing up or anything like that. I genuinely love the game

It's possible some people find the reward itself fun, because they got something amazing for their effort.

Ever saved up enough money to buy something? Most people don't particularly love their job enough they'd do it for free.

But they want to get that latest model car, or the new clothing brand, or some a new computer.

They don't like making the money, but the money buys the shiny prize they want.

Same for this game for some people. Why mow the grass, if the money you get is temporary but you know better rewards are coming soon.

You're also speaking purely from the perspective of someone who hasn't already done all the content 2000x. Of course you enjoy it when you haven't even done half of it yet.

[Krissey]

It's possible some people find the reward itself fun, because they got something amazing for their effort.

Ever saved up enough money to buy something? Most people don't particularly love their job enough they'd do it for free.

But they want to get that latest model car, or the new clothing brand, or some a new computer.

They don't like making the money, but the money buys the shiny prize they want.

Same for this game for some people. Why mow the grass, if the money you get is temporary but you know better rewards are coming soon.

You're also speaking purely from the perspective of someone who hasn't already done all the content 2000x. Of course you enjoy it when you haven't even done half of it yet.

You just compared PLAYING A VIDEO GAME with a job and chores....

PLAYING A GAME = job or chores ????

I guess some people just won't be happy with anything.

[Ilitsa]

It's possible some people find the reward itself fun, because they got something amazing for their effort.

Ever saved up enough money to buy something? Most people don't particularly love their job enough they'd do it for free.

But they want to get that latest model car, or the new clothing brand, or some a new computer.

They don't like making the money, but the money buys the shiny prize they want.

Same for this game for some people. Why mow the grass, if the money you get is temporary but you know better rewards are coming soon.

You're also speaking purely from the perspective of someone who hasn't already done all the content 2000x. Of course you enjoy it when you haven't even done half of it yet.

No, I'm speaking from perspective of someone that doesn't share your apparent view of the game. There's a difference. I used to lead a static that was clearing content as it came out, I came to the decision that I didn't enjoy the stress. Also, if you have to compare this game to a job, you're doing it incredibly wrong, not me. I'm not playing to make myself miserable, and so of course I enjoy it. What's your problem?

Perhaps you should go back and re-read what I said, rather than try to poke fault in my message. 6/10, nice try though <3

[Iagainsti]

Also, if you have to compare this game to a job, you're doing it incredibly wrong, not me. I'm not playing to make myself miserable, and so of course I enjoy it. What's your problem?

Perhaps you should go back and re-read what I said, rather than try to poke fault in my message. 6/10, nice try though <3

#church ;D

I can't like this post enough.

[Critical-Limit]

You just compared PLAYING A VIDEO GAME with a job and chores....

PLAYING A GAME = job or chores ????

I guess some people just won't be happy with anything.

Mind you not in the context of my own desires. But desires of others.

I'd be willing to bet if they made EX primals with no rewards. You just play for the fun of it.

You'd see a massive decrease in people doing that content.

[Shurrikhan]

It's possible some people find the reward itself fun, because they got something amazing for their effort.

Ever saved up enough money to buy something? Most people don't particularly love their job enough they'd do it for free.

But they want to get that latest model car, or the new clothing brand, or some a new computer.

They don't like making the money, but the money buys the shiny prize they want.

Same for this game for some people. Why mow the grass, if the money you get is temporary but you know better rewards are coming soon.

You're also speaking purely from the perspective of someone who hasn't already done all the content 2000x. Of course you enjoy it when you haven't even done half of it yet.

Is it really amazing though? Would you consider changing your oil and tires amazing, or upgrading a graphics card every few years "amazing"? Because that's what gear amounts to in this game. It's maintenance. Let's not confuse satisfaction of completion with reward quality. They're both important, but also separate.

Why should work be an analog for playing video games?

In many cases its more a coping mechanism than the original objective of employment. In either case, see above.

A fair comparison. So, do all "catch-up" players have unkempt yards (metaphorically)?

That's actually pretty optimistic, though the implication for later makes me wonder what you're trying to defend with all this? Death on completion is the anticlimactic story of life. I would hope the end of endgame would be better than senility and coffins.

In my opinion, it's not about gearing up or anything like that. I genuinely love the game, heck I haven't even stepped into thordan or sephirot ex yet, haven't touched midas, but I enjoy leveling my classes, running dungeons, tomestones is simply a side effect to what I love doing. I think that's the point that a lot of people are missing, because they're so focused on gear. This is by far NOT a progressive MMO. You have to find the niche you enjoy and just do it. So what if new gear comes out 3 months down the road? Are you having fun NOW? THAT is what is important.

I enjoy what may come as it comes as well, I just find it wasteful that we're consistently pigeonholed, by either reward-first mindedness or simply a lack of real rewards for older yet still challenging content (see min ilvl sync), into a successively smaller portion of the total content with each patch. There are a lot of fun fights out there... yet only about 7-11 at a time are relevant, 2 dungeons, and Ex primal, 4 normal raids, 4 savage raids. And I do find myself growing more and more bored of a stale model. That said, I don't think that the game is going to die out any time soon just because of that lacking creativity. But, I do think unless steps are taken sooner than later, that it will be inevitable, and not just in the sense of any MMO eventually exhausting itself after three to six expansions.

[Critical-Limit]

No, I'm speaking from perspective of someone that doesn't share your apparent view

#1 that's not my view. Because unlike you I can relate to people it's called putting yourself in the shoes of others.

#2 I can relate to you. I never said like the content or what it is, was wrong or something. No. I liked nyzle isle and assaults from FFXI days and I didn't care about rewards. It was just plain fun to complete

#3 I was merely explaining to you. To some people gear is their show off reward. Look at all the people filling up the gold saucer now? Never seems so many people doing GATEs they didn't make any new ones. All the did was up the reward. What do people want with those rewards? Varies. Turtle mount? Fenrir? The content alone didn't make them play it. The rewards did. This is the concept I'm showing you that you seem to be confused why people focus gear/mounts or w/e it's what they want

[RiceisNice]

If 4.0 is another rehash, I'll probably switch to about a 50% membership, appearing just before patch and disappearing just after Ex primal farms, and gradually fade from there.
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This is my perspective as well. The X.0 patches (expansions) are the place to set up a foundation for future updates. You can't really afford to undersell in the new content and jobs (which I feel 3.0 has done in some regards), and it doesn't leave for a very good foundation to work upon (Airships, "FC" crafting, job design, specialists, etc). And some of the cuts they made doesn't sit well with me, either in regards to the 3.x series; we have two dungeons per patch and they are the only two options for roulette. In it's place we'd get things like diadem and LoV (which fall into the same trap where it feels very rushed and doesn't leave a lot to work with).