Blood Weapon / other DRK suggestions:

[KrenianKandos]

Show me your math then for it then if you say i'm wrong. If you actually studied in school maybe you would see my math for that is actually correct. It is 0.02% (2%) however the fact that you can use it when you need to, say when a monster is vulnerable or has debuffs. There are also times when your not doing mechanics either. So many variables is why the 33% over 30 seconds with a 90 second CD can be better because your using it when you need it. Paladin also has utility he can use between those damage bursts. The fact that he can also switch to Sword Oath and then use FoF then switch to shield oath over the other 60 seconds is also a thing. That is a MAJOR boost to damage.

An attack on my math skills is pretty childish so I'm going to disregard that as a simple attack from a person who seems to be on the ropes as he resumed every bullet point with the word *stuff* and then dediced to attack the math that you used. Your math did not adjust for a real fight either. You won't just stand there as a Dark Knight and never use your skills whatsoever. Just like, as a Paladin, you never would.

Furthermore, you actually gave Paladin a hand up because you made them use a skill: Fight or Flight. With Dark Knight, you didn't bother: You just said Grit + Darkside. Your math is right. I'm not arguing that. Your logic is so very flawed because you yourself have stated it in this answer: There are too many variables to accurately pull out a math number that could give you an exact view of the DPS both Paladin and Dark Knight can do. I'm just using your math, friend. I mean, your math is so flawed because you;'re not even making it a fair fight. You're giving the Paladin a head's up every argument you make because you prefer that class and are abruptly putting down the Dark Knight class. I get it. You don't like the Dark Knight class. As such, I would sincerely suggest you simply don't talk about the class. Because obviously, as many people who have suggested it to you, you're way out of your league in regards to this. You're utterly making up nonsense and strawman arguments to get your point across and so many people here see right through you.

Also, from what I understand your talking out of your butt. Warrior does so much more damage and a real DPS class does so much more damage then Dark Knight its not even funny.

Since you like numbers so much: Give me the source of this. Prove it to me. Pull out a parsing, of any sort, or a screenshot, of it. In ideal circumstances. While I don't doubt either statements you made (I actually stated that the Warrior is a powerhouse sponge in my previous post, something that you seem to have actively ignored only to revert my insult back to me as a child would.), since you are so keen on wanting to prove me wrong on it, go ahead. DPS should ALWAYS be ahead of tanks in damage. Period. It's their role. But show me an equally skilled and geared Warrior, Paladin and Dark Knight doing the exact role situations, and prove to me that they are so underpowered. Go ahead, I'll be waiting... *popcorn*

Trying to talk down someone with no valid point besides: "YOUR WRONG BECAUSE YOUR WRONG AND PROVE YOURSELF HAHA YOUR WRONG BECAUSE YOUR WRONG" is not valid or fun to me. It actually makes me want to report your post for trolling, because that is all your doing. I actually take time to explain what I mean, and you go and derail my post with your nonsense and hate.

Out of all the posts in here, I took the time to analyze and cut down your suggestions with opinions of my own. So now, if an opinion does not coincide with yours, it's trolling? Sorry to tell you, but you have trolled a few people on here and would be in a bigger situation of getting an infraction, and this is coming from an Ex Moderator. There are words for people like you: shyte-disturbers. You spew whatever comes on your mind, without an ounce of truth or validity, then when someone goes against you, and requests proof, you offhandedly state you have the classes to 60 and yet never link to said forum post or person. You, by all definition, fit the word of a troll.

I highlighted each point in why I thought it was ridiculous. I even point out that many of your suggestions have absolutely no backing whatsoever and are based off of your opinion for Quality of Life choices, which would effectively destroy what is the class. You even acknowledge it's because you're utterly lazy and hate the mechanic.

Hate to break it to you, buddy, but I brought up more plausible points than you have, and I didn't even need to give you math to prove my point. Why should I? Your own math failed you because you didn't accurately add all of the algorithms of a fight within your calculation. You literally removed nearly everything to scream "THIS IS ME, I'M RIGHT! LOOK! MATH!" and spewed out some numbers which I effectively showed, right away, that you manipulated for your results.

And in all of this, you cannot seem to comprehend that so many people on the forums despise you because this is your skit. You do this every single time someone tries to have a civilized conversation.

- You come in and state asinine QoL requests that would effectively dumb down/destroy the class
- Someone comes in and disproves your math/logic
- You get defensive and start throwing out more math that makes no sense
- Someone literally breaks your argument in half and then asks to see any piece of information that you even know the class
- You offer some past forum thread that no one here even knows about with your character who has a level 60 warrior and a level 60 Dark knight, which to all of us, smells bad.
- People give up and simply call you clueless and move on and ignore you.

Every single thread I've read so far about you is the same. thing.

Anyway. The point of this thread, sadly, was suggestions for you to enjoy Dark Knight. Sadly, those suggestions would probably break Dark Knight. I sincerely hope the Devs don't listen to this because this is the minority complaining about a class that actually is quite well done, if played right. The OP obviously doesn't play it right because he wants things changed to be simpler; not because they're actually good changes.

I've said my piece. That's enough of this thread for me.

[Chronons]

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Ah, I see one reason why our numbers may differ. I forgot enhanced FoF means 60secs of uptime in a 3 min interval. Thx for pointing that out. But, i'm still not understanding your math process.

DRK: 1x.8(Grit)=.8 [(.8x.15)+.8]Darkside=.92 <- here we agree
PLD: 1x.85(ShO)=.85 [(.85x.3)+.85]FoF=1.105
In a three minute interval DRK. will be a constant .92, PLD will be at 1.105 for 60secs and .85 for 120secs.
An average for PLD over that period would be [(1.105+.85+.85)/3]= .935
That being said, the fact that DRK has higher potential damage means it will still do more while in tanking stance. There is no way the 1.5% difference in the averages is enough to compensate PLDs lower potential dps. The only parsing data online I can find has PLD 50-60 dps lower than DRK, much more than a 1.5% difference.

[KrenianKandos]

Ah, I see one reason why our numbers may differ. I forgot enhanced FoF means 60secs of uptime in a 3 min interval. Thx for pointing that out. But, i'm still not understanding your math process.

DRK: 1x.8(Grit)=.8 [(.8x.15)+.8]Darkside=.92 <- here we agree
PLD: 1x.85(ShO)=.85 [(.85x.3)+.85]FoF=1.105
In a three minute interval DRK. will be a constant .92, PLD will be at 1.105 for 60secs and .85 for 120secs.
An average for PLD over that period would be [(1.105+.85+.85)/3]= .935
That being said, the fact that DRK has higher potential damage means it will still do more while in tanking stance. There is no way the 1.5% difference in the averages is enough to compensate PLDs lower potential dps. The only parsing data online I can find has PLD 50-60 dps lower than DRK, much more than a 1.5% difference.

Just came back to say This is far more accurate math. Kudos Chronons.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Ah, I see one reason why our numbers may differ. I forgot enhanced FoF means 60secs of uptime in a 3 min interval. Thx for pointing that out. But, i'm still not understanding your math process.

DRK: 1x.8(Grit)=.8 [(.8x.15)+.8]Darkside=.92 <- here we agree
PLD: 1x.85(ShO)=.85 [(.85x.3)+.85]FoF=1.105
In a three minute interval DRK. will be a constant .92, PLD will be at 1.105 for 60secs and .85 for 120secs.
An average for PLD over that period would be [(1.105+.85+.85)/3]= .935
That being said, the fact that DRK has higher potential damage means it will still do more while in tanking stance. There is no way the 1.5% difference in the averages is enough to compensate PLDs lower potential dps. The only parsing data online I can find has PLD 50-60 dps lower than DRK, much more than a 1.5% difference.

Oh shit. You are correct I thought Fight or Flight was 33% extra damage. So it is actually 93.5. I got it mixed up with another skill in a game I played a bit ago.

Anyway. The point of this thread, sadly, was suggestions for you to enjoy Dark Knight. Sadly, those suggestions would probably break Dark Knight. I sincerely hope the Devs don't listen to this because this is the minority complaining about a class that actually is quite well done, if played right. The OP obviously doesn't play it right because he wants things changed to be simpler; not because they're actually good changes.

I've said my piece. That's enough of this thread for me.

Perhaps it is a minority here, but on the Japanese forums there is a 40-50 page thread about it.

QoL changes I believe ARE a good thing for the game honestly.

[KrenianKandos]

Perhaps it is a minority here, but on the Japanese forums there is a 40-50 page thread about it.
QoL changes I believe ARE a good thing for the game honestly.

Unfortunately, I'm not Japanese. I'm Canadian. And on these forums, it's a minority argument. I don't go to the Japanese forums to see what they want because they view it as a different eye than I do. While I can respect their opinion, until I actually see said thread and can analyse what they are saying (I don't speak Japanese so that's not an option and I couldn't trust Google Translate as far as I could throw it), I'll have to take your word for it and shrug. Until it becomes a common, widespread argument here, I don't see the point.

I won't also disagree with you when you say QoL changes can be good. They've brought a few that have made my life simpler. But those you suggest would fundamentally change the class. I disagree with those. I've been commented about my Dark Knight tanking more times than I can count, from "Man, you really are not that squishy compared to some people I've played with.." and "Wow, that's crazy DPS; you're outdpsing some of OUR dps!". These are the things I strive to do in a game with a class. I do it on my Monk just as much; as my Comms would point out. I don't talk much in a run. I let my skills and my abilities shine to get those.

All I'm saying here is that maybe instead of trying to change the Dark Knight class...play the Warrior or Paladin class because it feels more up your alley..? That's all.

Glad we could end this on a neutral note. I'm not one to leave arguments and bad juju in the air.

[Ragnorak]

Remove Dark Arts blah blah blah you know what? Stop being lazy and learn to manage your mana properly.

[MagiusNecros]

Learn to ignore him and discussion about the DRK and tank classes in general leads to more intelligent conversation. Removing Dark Arts is pretty much removing the entire job.

[Jim_Berry]

I've always kind of wanted Living Dead to act as a bomb that dealt damage equal to your max hp if you died from Walking Dead. I'm sure someone would form a hilarious strat involving using a drk as a suicide bomb.

Give it a Mijin Gakure death effect like in FFXI.

[Zari]

This thread is literally: "I dont like how dark knight works. Change it so I like it and can be lazy with it"

You dont have to like every job in the game.

[Cooperal]

So what you're saying it. Make Blood Weapon a normal cooldown that just lets you pop it when it's ready. Because DRK obviously doesn't have enough of those.

Buff all the abilities that you aren't using properly. Balance it by nerfing all the abilities you forget to use.

I won't lie though, I don't mind the sound of the Delirium tweak being added in minus the cast speed debuff, perhaps with healing cast/received being debuffed rather than the direct MND stat itself. DRKs main selling point as an anti-magic unit would broaden out just that little bit more. That's all they seem to bring to the table independently. Other than that, DRK is just the best side-kick to a WAR where mitigation is no longer the main concern. I just want to see a few more cases where people say "DRK is amazing for this one".