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[Isala]

Cynric, I respect you as a MNK. You do a very good job, and it's nice to see how much effort you put into it. I know you said you "play" bard. But do you main it? Do you go in there, as BRD, and work your skills to their utmost, or are most of your observations based on what you've seen? Because I'm flat out telling you, we're fine. Even despite our CC disadvantage, you're missing the one advantage we do have, over any other class except MCH. We are the ultimate chasers. Yes, there's a damage penalty involved, but we can drop WM at the touch of a button, and run down whatever happens to be trying to get away. A large portion of my kills are from gunning someone down as they run for their lives, and we are VERY good at that. When you use a BRDs spike damage to insta-gib a healer, and then turn your focus to another target? You often have two kills immediately after each other.

No, we don't have CC, or defensive CDs, or... The list goes on. But what we do, which is kill things, we do VERY well, even outside of our burst window.

[RiceisNice]

We are the ultimate chasers. Yes, there's a damage penalty involved, but we can drop WM at the touch of a button, and run down whatever happens to be trying to get away. A large portion of my kills are from gunning someone down as they run for their lives, and we are VERY good at that. When you use a BRDs spike damage to insta-gib a healer, and then turn your focus to another target? You often have two kills immediately after each other.

The moment you drop WM/GB, your damage plummets and starts to fluctuate big time. At this point (especially when we don't have damage penalty when attacking closer than 15 yards), you're better off just using feint while chasing down. But that's hardly exclusive to BRD since even SMN and BLM can do that too through dots or lethargy+procs (considering the enemy heals isn't present if you really are chasing them down).

Yes they can kill things outside of burst, better than MCH and probably SMN in some cases, but BLM can do much better outside of bursts (at the trade off that they don't particularly have fast bursts to begin with).

And lastly, don't take it this way, no one is saying that BRD isn't fine. But relative comparison, I wouldn't say it's as good as a BLM when considering potential and high play. The only job that truly needs to be tuned around to perform better is dork knight honestly, and some adjustments to BLM/WHM if they want to keep catering to cast times.

[Isala]

The moment you drop WM/GB, your damage plummets and starts to fluctuate big time. At this point (especially when we don't have damage penalty when attacking closer than 15 yards), you're better off just using feint while chasing down. But that's hardly exclusive to BRD since even SMN and BLM can do that too through dots or lethargy+procs (considering the enemy heals isn't present if you really are chasing them down).

Right. Feint is a 120+30% bonus for an over all 156 potency, compared to a 150 HS unbuffed. Which is why I use the non-WM time to put up the DoTs instead, get my SS off, and switch over to WM again, for Feint spam. And while, no, they're not saying in here, they are saying it there. When your own party is disappointed that they got a BRD over any other ranged, there's a slight issue in BRDs image.

[RiceisNice]

Right. Feint is a 120+30% bonus for an over all 156 potency, compared to a 150 HS unbuffed. Which is why I use the non-WM time to put up the DoTs instead, get my SS off, and switch over to WM again, for Feint spam. And while, no, they're not saying in here, they are saying it there. When your own party is disappointed that they got a BRD over any other ranged,there's a slight issue in BRDs image.

Which has nothing to do with tier placement or even job balance for that matter, really.

[Isala]

Which has nothing to do with tier placement

On the contrary. When everyone talks about how X sucks for [actual reasons], a ton of people ignore reasons, and just see X sucks.

[Cynric]

I'd say sucks is a strong word for brd . Not as good as it could be? Yeah but sucks? No way. That's just ignorance on the part of people who you seem to get in solo plus at least on our data center most ranged players just aren't that good in my experience. Dark knight is the only class that sucks and scholar to a smaller degree. Especially with the upsurge of monks

[Cynric]

@Isla and other ranged mains: Despite what I have said on the matter this doesn't mean I believe they are not suspect to be moved up to A tier. After the wall changes I do think they're suspect. I'd just like more evidence before moving forward. The list itself will also be overhauled soon as well and I am taking all feedback into account towards the placement of each respective job.