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[Cynric]

Unfortunately bishop hyper charge and foes are only usable in 8v8 training mode due to that they are not counted for in this list. Neither is double monk,double blm,etc.
Any weakness in 4v4 is easier to deal with in 8v8 as there are double the roles.

[Iagainsti]

Unfortunately bishop hyper charge and foes are only usable in 8v8 training mode due to that they are not counted for in this list. Neither is double monk,double blm,etc.
Any weakness in 4v4 is easier to deal with in 8v8 as there are double the roles.

Again, cleric stance is disabled, and when you're clinching a kill, a quick foes/hc coordinated with your whm stone III casts can disable their heals. Done it many times in 4v4, just gotta chat with your team.

[Isala]

Again, cleric stance is disabled, and when you're clinching a kill, a quick foes/hc coordinated with your whm stone III casts can disable their heals. Done it many times in 4v4, just gotta chat with your team.

And hope they care/listen, TBH. Once told the DPS to focus the tank with 300 medals. His response? "Do it yourself." I mean... I did. But still.

[Renault]

Again, cleric stance is disabled, and when you're clinching a kill, a quick foes/hc coordinated with your whm stone III casts can disable their heals. Done it many times in 4v4, just gotta chat with your team.

WTF. There's so much wrong with this. You could just do exponentially more damage in the time it takes to cast Foes, and melee/yourself gets way more benefit from physical hypercharge.

[Cynric]

WTF. There's so much wrong with this. You could just do exponentially more damage in the time it takes to cast Foes, and melee/yourself gets way more benefit from physical hypercharge.

Agreed with this, Healer dps is so inconsequential in the feast. In a situation where you'd cast foes/ or remove rook to cast bishop if its not already out, for the healer to DPS for whatever reason. 1 you'd be better off with physical hypercharge for any number of reasons. 2 I'd rather the healer waste their GCD on heals or CC than damage. If the DPS players need healers helping to get the kill then thats a terrible situation.

[RiceisNice]

Agreed with this, Healer dps is so inconsequential in the feast. In a situation where you'd cast foes/ or remove rook to cast bishop if its not already out, for the healer to DPS for whatever reason. 1 you'd be better off with physical hypercharge for any number of reasons. 2 I'd rather the healer waste their GCD on heals or CC than damage. If the DPS players need healers helping to get the kill then thats a terrible situation.

On top of that, no one is ever going to stand within range of a Bishop hypercharge, and you're losing 40 potency from turret (assuming you even hit anything)

@OP foe's/bishop hyper charge are clinch if you have a blk/whm. They don't overwrite fullswing/phantom dart, pop them when you see your Blk pop enochian, or if your whm is on the offensive, and watch the target melt.

Just to put it in perspective. A healer's damage is jackshite in PvP duje to no cleric stance. The GCD spent casting Requiem has almost no pay off when you're looking at 10% of 200~ damage. Not to mention a GCD spent dpsing (in an environment where damage can be incredibly erratic compared to PvE) is GCD not being used for healing.

And as a MCH, I can tell you right now and that hypercharging a bishop is garbage in PvP. It's stationary and it hits in an AoE around it. No one is ever going to stand within it's range to take more than 1 hit (which would realistically mean a 10 second uptime of magic vulnerability), on top of you not having a rook auto turret's potency which isn't restricted to a 5 yard radius and hits harder (on top of buffing the MCH ,melee and tank in a 4v4 setting, versus magic buffing a healer in 4v4)

[Cynric]

On top of that, no one is ever going to stand within range of a Bishop hypercharge.

you could feasibly lead someone into it maybe... or stand inside the range yourself. but still its nowhere near as good as rook in anyway lol.

[Iagainsti]

And hope they care/listen, TBH. Once told the DPS to focus the tank with 300 medals. His response? "Do it yourself." I mean... I did. But still.

We could debate individual derpage all day, but it's a waste of thread posts XD I more or less referring to overall team strat.

On another note, warrior should be top tier for obvious reasons.

[Exira]

Can we close this topic/post yet.

[Cynric]

Once again try to keep things Civil if you're going to discuss anything.