Tier list!

[Cynric]

@Isla and other ranged mains: Despite what I have said on the matter this doesn't mean I believe they are not suspect to be moved up to A tier. After the wall changes I do think they're suspect. I'd just like more evidence before moving forward. The list itself will also be overhauled soon as well and I am taking all feedback into account towards the placement of each respective job.

[Cynric]

I'd also like to note that any changes to the list will be made after the next balancing update 3.26 as I would need re evaluate the jobs then anyway.

[Isala]

The moment you drop WM/GB, your damage plummets and starts to fluctuate big time. At this point (especially when we don't have damage penalty when attacking closer than 15 yards), you're better off just using feint while chasing down. But that's hardly exclusive to BRD since even SMN and BLM can do that too through dots or lethargy+procs (considering the enemy heals isn't present if you really are chasing them down).

Right. Feint is a 120+30% bonus for an over all 156 potency, compared to a 150 HS unbuffed. Which is why I use the non-WM time to put up the DoTs instead, get my SS off, and switch over to WM again, for Feint spam. And while, no, they're not saying in here, they are saying it there. When your own party is disappointed that they got a BRD over any other ranged, there's a slight issue in BRDs image.

[RiceisNice]

Right. Feint is a 120+30% bonus for an over all 156 potency, compared to a 150 HS unbuffed. Which is why I use the non-WM time to put up the DoTs instead, get my SS off, and switch over to WM again, for Feint spam. And while, no, they're not saying in here, they are saying it there. When your own party is disappointed that they got a BRD over any other ranged,there's a slight issue in BRDs image.

Which has nothing to do with tier placement or even job balance for that matter, really.

[Isala]

Which has nothing to do with tier placement

On the contrary. When everyone talks about how X sucks for [actual reasons], a ton of people ignore reasons, and just see X sucks.

[Cynric]

I'd say sucks is a strong word for brd . Not as good as it could be? Yeah but sucks? No way. That's just ignorance on the part of people who you seem to get in solo plus at least on our data center most ranged players just aren't that good in my experience. Dark knight is the only class that sucks and scholar to a smaller degree. Especially with the upsurge of monks

[Iagainsti]

On the contrary. When everyone talks about how X sucks for [actual reasons], a ton of people ignore reasons, and just see X sucks.

Use that image to your advantage; my friend mains bard, and his average 8v8s are 4/0/6. I sub Mch myself a lot for unranked, and snipe the eff out of it. Most people will argue that brd/Mch are inferior, and leave them to do whatever and favour other targets for cc/spike damage. Use that like any other tool and rack dem kills.

@OP foe's/bishop hyper charge are clinch if you have a blk/whm. They don't overwrite fullswing/phantom dart, pop them when you see your Blk pop enochian, or if your whm is on the offensive, and watch the target melt.

[Cynric]

Unfortunately bishop hyper charge and foes are only usable in 8v8 training mode due to that they are not counted for in this list. Neither is double monk,double blm,etc.
Any weakness in 4v4 is easier to deal with in 8v8 as there are double the roles.

[Iagainsti]

Unfortunately bishop hyper charge and foes are only usable in 8v8 training mode due to that they are not counted for in this list. Neither is double monk,double blm,etc.
Any weakness in 4v4 is easier to deal with in 8v8 as there are double the roles.

Again, cleric stance is disabled, and when you're clinching a kill, a quick foes/hc coordinated with your whm stone III casts can disable their heals. Done it many times in 4v4, just gotta chat with your team.

[Isala]

Again, cleric stance is disabled, and when you're clinching a kill, a quick foes/hc coordinated with your whm stone III casts can disable their heals. Done it many times in 4v4, just gotta chat with your team.

And hope they care/listen, TBH. Once told the DPS to focus the tank with 300 medals. His response? "Do it yourself." I mean... I did. But still.