Anima Weapons. Putting things into perspective.

[Kaurie]

outside of savage name one piece of content that can't be beaten with a esoteric weapon? I'll wait...... Yes, eso is the easiest but weakest option but should also be the first wpn you pick up once you hit lvl 60, its still a valid weapon.

I mean if we want to exclude content, we can just say all the weapons are valid. let's include law, poetics, soldiery, shiva, etc. etc.. I mean they can do some content.

I can even do the current expert roulettes with an i90 weapon if I wanted - and succeed.

EDIT: I wouldnt be surprise if in 3.3 the next warring triad weapon is ilvl 230, then everyone will be saying "ah man, the lore weapons is crap. Totally not worth it bro, primal weapon is easier"

Yes, every patch they release new ways to obtain the current/past ilvl weapon either faster or easier and/or add higher ilvl weapons that is the new one to get. That is how they've been doing it for years and is the nature of vertical progression.

EDIT: I wouldn't be surprised if in the next patch they added more content and possibly 2 dungeons

[Ibi]

Ikr, may as well count the Doman weapns.

I mean if we want to exclude content, we can just say all the weapons are valid. let's include law, poetics, soldiery, shiva, etc. etc.. I mean they can do some content.

I can even do the current expert roulettes with an i90 weapon if I wanted - and succeed.

For someone who can't clear or hasn't yet cleared Sephirot Extreme or invested the necessary time to complete a relic (which is a substantial portion of the player base), the esoterics weapon is (until at least next week) their best available option. The same is not true of the Law, Poetics, etc. weapons.

[Whiteroom]

For someone who can't clear or hasn't yet cleared Sephirot Extreme or invested the necessary time to complete a relic, the esoterics weapon is (until at least next week) their best available option. The same is not true of the Law, Poetics, etc. weapons.

The 210 relic also, that still doesn't qualify it as being included in the next tiers weapon grouping.

[Ibi]

The 210 relic also, that still doesn't qualify it as being included in the next tiers weapon grouping.

Most people don't even have a i210 anima though. It wouldn't surprise me if there are more people with Sephirot weapons. That's certainly the case among the people I know.

That's what the "invested the necessary time to complete a relic" in the section you quoted was attempting to convey.

For what's likely the majority of the player base, the upgraded esoterics weapon is likely the best weapon they have (or have access to) until at least next week.

That isn't the point, the point is that the Lore weapon is the weapon of this tier alongside the relic/raid. Esoterics is the last tier weapon which can be used until you catch up to this tier.

What Whocareswhatmynameis was that the esoterics weapon is currently a valid weapon choice. At no point did he or she say that it was a final goal to aim for.

Given the number of people who are currently using them, I'm not sure I see what the problem with his or her statement was.

[Whiteroom]

Most people don't even have a i210 anima though. It wouldn't surprise me if there are more people with Sephirot weapons. That's certainly the case among the people I know.

That's what the "invested the necessary time to complete a relic" in the section you quoted was attempting to convey.

For what's likely the majority of the player base, the upgraded esoterics weapon is likely the best weapon they have (or have access to) until at least next week.

Can you link where most people don't have one, almost everyone I run into on that tier has one. I have 2.5 of them without much effort, multiple people in my FC have 2-3 of them.

[Ibi]

Can you link where most people don't have one, almost everyone I run into on that tier has one. I have 2.5 of them without much effort, multiple people in my FC have 2-3 of them.

Unfortunately, there's no easy way to query the Lodestone for achievements, so no, I can't provide anything empirical.

But to counter your anecdotal evidence with my own anecdotal evidence, almost no one I run into has one, and the majority of people in my FC haven't completed even one (and I don't think anyone's finished multiples).

Edit: Closest I can find to actual evidence is this Straw Poll, which suggests that only 45% of players responded even intended to complete one on a casual basis.

I suspect people were directed to the poll via either reddit or the official forums, which likely means they're already a less casual subset of the player base than any random slice would be, meaning they're probably also more likely than your average player to work on something that requires a time commitment on the scale of the anima weapons. But that's just speculation on my part.

[Whiteroom]

Unfortunately, there's no easy way to query the Lodestone for achievements, so no, I can't provide anything empirical.

But to counter your anecdotal evidence with my own anecdotal evidence, almost no one I run into has one, and the majority of people in my FC haven't completed even one (and I don't think anyone's finished multiples).
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You may have missed the point of my using anecdotal evidence there. It was purely becasue you made a claim to support your view with no backing at all for it.

[Kaurie]

For someone who can't clear or hasn't yet cleared Sephirot Extreme or invested the necessary time to complete a relic (which is a substantial portion of the player base), the esoterics weapon is (until at least next week) their best available option. The same is not true of the Law, Poetics, etc. weapons.

That isn't the point, the point is that the Lore weapon is the weapon of this tier alongside the relic/raid. Esoterics is the last tier weapon which can be used until you catch up to this tier.

The 210 relic also, that still doesn't qualify it as being included in the next tiers weapon grouping.

exactly