Anima Weapons. Putting things into perspective.

[Berethos]

It's not hard. At all. It's just a time sink.

A time sink designed as the time-based equivalent of its raiding alternative...that is no longer the equivalent of its raiding alternative and should be adjusted to better match its raiding alternative, as was the stated design intent.

That's all I'm saying to any and all who believe it shouldn't be changed.

My perception, your perception, or the perception of anyone else has no bearing on this - it was made to match a certain status quo, and that status quo has changed significantly while its changes have been exceptionally minor (and, as is the case on my server and others, those changes have had little to no effect).

[Mindy_Macready]

So, uhh, do that and don't whine here about how all content should be the way you want it and not the way other people want it? You're not the only one playing this game, you know.

Neither are you. It's hilarious you're criticizing someone for thinking "content should be the way [they] want it and not the way other people want it" yet you're also telling people to accept the way it is because it's the way you happen to enjoy it.

If people didn't complain, then how would anybody hear a dissenting opinion about anything?

[Felis]

- Eso weapon got nerfed (half price, upgrade item easy to get, no more weekly cap on Esoterics).
- Alexander Savage got nerfed (now at 15% Echo)
- Relic .... Not even the early stages got nerfed. It's not just the cost of the 210 stage, you have to account for the time spent on earlier stages. None of that got eased either.

Because ilevel 210 relic is required to get easy a ilevel 230 relic (if you have the ilevel 210 relic at hand). ilevel 210 eso is not required for any weapon.

Why in fuck would anyone bother with the insane grind of the relic quests if it doesn't give a better weapon than the Midan normal?

To get 5 bottles of aether oil is not an insane grind

[Kallera]

The sanctity of gordias savage was done with the moment I could nip over to the counter and get a gobdip from the mhachi farthing I had before the patch.

[Felis]

Having plenty of time is beside the point - whether or not it's comparable to other available options, as was the intended design as told to us by the devs, is the discussion here.

Please pay attention.

Where have the devs once said that relic will cost no time?

Yoshida himself wrote once something like this:

Alex weapons - for raiders
Relic weapons - for grind loves
Tome weapons - for non-raiders who don't like grinds

Your casual option are the tome weapons

[Thayos]

The state of the 210 relic step is absolutely untenable vs. the effort required for a 210 eso weapon.

This is a moot point though, because the point of doing a relic weapon is really now to get an i230 weapon. The way this is designed, you can start from scratch and work toward an i210 weapon... and by the time you get there, you can also have the supplies needed for an essentially free i210 to i230 upgrade.

There's no problem here. You can't sit on the sideline and then complain about not being spoon fed fast enough.

[Airget]

Honestly currrently Relic offers a rather nice bonus in that you can in a sense save your 1k Law Tomes and obtain i230 gear instead of using it to get your weapon next week if you have been saving up gears from Alexander Midas runs each week since patch.

It's a rather interesting give and take, Relics are giving you the option to use your esoteric tomes to obtain an i230 weapon even though you need 7200-9000 to get the oil, you also have the option of doing the Crystal Tower weekly in 5 weeks to also get the oil needed. Now that you have that relic guess what, that 1k law tome you didn't need to invest into a weapon can just be used to upgrade your gear and give you a slight edge over those who had to use it on their weapon.

[Felis]

Here are Yoshi-P's own words on the design intent of the anima quests:

Similar to Zodiac weapons, Anima weapons are based on the following concepts.

• Will not be the strongest weapon at the same time as the rewards for clearing the hardest difficulty content.
• Clearing the hardest difficulty content will not require you to obtain Zodiac/Anima weapons.
• Creating these weapons will require you to put in effort over a longer period of time.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...65#post3494765

And because the ilvl 230 step is not about effort over a longer period of time, the ilvl 210 nerf is not coming until the next step with a big grind

[Felis]

Do the ilevel 210 relic quest, earn poetics tomes with CT runs and have the 5 bottles aether oil ready the moment you have the ilevel 210 relic

[Fyce]

Next week I can get a i230 book with 114crit and 80ss, without doing much. The weapon have 2 materia slots.

Or

I can spend 3.5 millions, grind tons of tomestones, spend hours and hours doing roulettes, all of that to get an i210 weapon which I'll need to upgrade to i230 by either grinding even more tomestones or waiting weeks to get these tokens by doing the Crystal Tower again. Which would give me a weapon with 109det and 114ss. The weapons doesn't have materia slots.


In short terms, not only the weapon from option 2 is worse, but it would take such a huge investment that I would probably spend all my playtime doing it.
Well, I guess the Anima weapon, at least for SMN, is still completly crap.