Anima Weapons. Putting things into perspective.

[Berethos]

I got my i210 relic weapon in about six weeks. That was just logging in and doing a couple roulettes and beastman quests.

It's really not bad at all. But I can see how it would be bad if you were determined to grind the hell out of it and push for tomes beyond roulette bonuses.

Don't forget that if you don't have the beast tribe quests already at rank 3, you're only getting 2 extra (now, it was one extra) every 6 days, instead of at least 4 extra every 5 days. That, and the crafting step can vary significantly in difficulty to complete based on server and circumstance.

That said, our perceptional perceptions of how easy or difficult that step is doesn't change that it was designed as it was due to a situation that no longer exists, and should be better tailored to the current situation.

[Whiteroom]

Don't forget that if you don't have the beast tribe quests already at rank 3, you're only getting 2 extra (now, it was one extra) every 6 days, instead of at least 4 extra every 5 days. That, and the crafting step can vary significantly in difficulty to complete based on server and circumstance.

That said, our perceptional perceptions of how easy or difficult that step is doesn't change that it was designed as it was due to a situation that no longer exists, and should be better tailored to the current situation.

How do you know they didn't design it with the intention of alleaviating the one difficult step when the next difficult step was released? You know that upon release they want it to take as long to get as the raid weapon, but you do not know their intentions beyond that point. They do plan these things out sometimes.

Right now, the first, second, and fourth steps are pretty much the easiest relic steps date. The third step is the only barrier to a quick 230 weapon. I know you've been parading the "nerf it just a little" argument around, but they really don't need to feel sympathy for people who didn't care to complete the step by now, which was very easy to do passively. It will most likely be halved in 3.3, please look forward to it.

[Berethos]

How do you know they didn't design it with the intention of alleaviating the one difficult step when the next difficult step was released? You know that upon release they want it to take as long to get as the raid weapon, but you do not know their intentions beyond that point. They do plan these things out sometimes.

If the plan was "For a lengthy period of time, the effort to obtain this weapon will not match the reward or be indicative of the difficulty of alternatives" after being the time-based equivalent of the 210 raid weapon shortly after 3.1...

Not sure I'd consider that a good plan.

[Whiteroom]

If the plan was "For a lengthy period of time, the effort to obtain this weapon will not match the reward or be indicative of the difficulty of alternatives" after being the time-based equivalent of the 210 raid weapon shortly after 3.1...

Not sure I'd consider that a good plan.

Of course you wouldn't, especially if you were someone who didn't see the value enough to complete it while it was still top tier.

The reality is, people who did do it are now rewarded with an easy 230 and two weeks free lore to spend, oh and free max stats in its secondaries, and you want that. If you cannot understand the value of a relic weapon, I do not expect to be able to explain it to you. You just want the easier path through, thats what a tome weapon is for. You see a shiney thing and want an easy route to it. But, you will probably feel the same about then next step, so why bother, unless you think they will nerf it for you if you are the squeaky wheel.

By the way, the reward currently entirely matches the work, you might have a leg to stand on if all steps were that bad, but they aren't. You just really can't see the forest for the trees, or at ther very least are pretending not to.

[VirusChris]

In my humble opinion Whiteroom... no it does not. The Lore Weapon is superior for my NIN than the Anima Relic even with its "capped" stats. Skill Speed is hardly worth it for NIN builds.

To me a Relic should be an epic legendary weapon that's suppose to be all-powerful for all the trouble and effort to get it. Going through multiple dungeon runs to fight bosses in the end, collected hard to obtain or a large bundle of mystic items, working with others to get the resources I need to craft the best weapon in the game... it took many months of getting every step done to get the reward that matches the work.

That is not the case for the Anima Relic at the moment. I can do a Raid or Weekly Tomes to get much EASIER obtainable powerful weapons and the Relic Weapon that took longer than those are... subpar for most of them. This is poor design in my opinion. I do not mind that the Raid Weapon is also a very powerful mysterious weapon as well, but the FFXIV Relic should be like the FFXI I hear about... it was worth it and lasted forever, the best reward you got. Not the case here.



PS: Where can I complain to SE for the redundant character limit of 1000 (and other way to bypass this is to Edit your message) and have them change it? These FORUMS! 1000 character is NOT enough to give out much needed messages! Hmm... when they post the Live Letter messages do they have to edit their own posts to bypass the 1000 character limit as well?

[Inzoum]

PS: Where can I complain to SE for the redundant character limit of 1000 (and other way to bypass this is to Edit your message) and have them change it? These FORUMS! 1000 character is NOT enough to give out much needed messages! Hmm... when they post the Live Letter messages do they have to edit their own posts to bypass the 1000 character limit as well?

You can get a lot of things said in japanese in 1000 chars, but that's easy when half the stuff you write are one-character, one-word kanji. This is a common oversight when japanese people build systems that are used by foreigners. In my work I had to deal with databases that only allowed 50 chars for a press release title. Not good for German...

[Whiteroom]

In my humble opinion Whiteroom... no it does not. The Lore Weapon is superior for my NIN than the Anima Relic even with its "capped" stats. Skill Speed is hardly worth it for NIN builds.

To me a Relic should be an epic legendary weapon that's suppose to be all-powerful for all the trouble and effort to get it. Going through multiple dungeon runs to fight bosses in the end, collected hard to obtain or a large bundle of mystic items, working with others to get the resources I need to craft the best weapon in the game... it took many months of getting every step done to get the reward that matches the work.

That is not the case for the Anima Relic at the moment. I can do a Raid or Weekly Tomes to get much EASIER obtainable powerful weapons and the Relic Weapon that took longer than those are... subpar for most of them. This is poor design in my opinion. I do not mind that the Raid Weapon is also a very powerful mysterious weapon as well, but the FFXIV Relic should be like the FFXI I hear about... it was worth it and lasted forever, the best reward you got. Not the case here.



PS: Where can I complain to SE for the redundant character limit of 1000 (and other way to bypass this is to Edit your message) and have them change it? These FORUMS! 1000 character is NOT enough to give out much needed messages! Hmm... when they post the Live Letter messages do they have to edit their own posts to bypass the 1000 character limit as well?

That is not the case with a lot of relics, until they release steps where you can pick your own stats, some will be sub par, simply because they seem to roll the dice on which gets which stats, however, that has almost nothing to do with what I said.(Also, we will likely get to pick them again during a step, so its a pretty good idea to have one handy.)

I fully agree that it is not a "relic" weapon in that it does not live up to the hype the stories give you about it, but then, considering that the quests don't either. A different name and not so much ceremony in the quests would suit it better, but that point has nothing to do with my earlier statement either, or really the thread.

Also, you are rewarded each step, if you do it on time. And unless you are an end game raider, the secondary stats mean almost nothing to you, that is for fine tuning. the weapon damage and primarys are your concern otherwise.

And much longer? if you finished on time, your relic takes a week or two to get, not the seven plus two and a little weeks of lore tomes ( which would get you gear to make up for more than those secondaries).

In the end, you want an easy path to a 230 weapon. And guess what, you will have one in 3.3. And at that point you will likely have a hard path to a 240 weapon. Then we can repeat this thread when it is becoming a 260 weapon.

Myself, I will be getting my WHM Relic and NIN Lore next week. Then I will pick up the Oils for my WAR Relic, while going back to passively collecting ten of each UI and one of each crafted for my NIN. I will hold on to those until the UI step is nerfed and have a 230 NIN relic immediately. But it pays to be prepared, or I coud do none of that and then whine in a thread about how unfair it all is.



Didn't the ffxi relic take an actual grind to get, and not just a few weeks?

[VirusChris]

I took my time on Relics... or in this case for Anima I'm going slowly as I'm just getting it to prepare for its strongest form in the end and I like to have it ready to upgrade when the next part releases. I've started on the Relic a week or two after it was released as I wanted to do other content and I traded in my Zeta to get the Crystals done and then quickly did the dungeons which was nice. When it came to the last part I just took my time doing Dailies and working on the BT Quests.

I've only gotten 32 out of the 80 tokens needed so far and then I haven't gotten the HQ Items yet as I'm leveling my Crafting classes. Everything is above 55 and I got 7 classes at 60 though I'm not rushing... plus my current work has me pull a lot of hours so I don't have a lot of time on my hands except when I can leave earlier.

And the grind for Zodiac Relic weren't all that bad, but I am strongly disliking the book part now... especially when trying to do it for ALL class Relic.

I just feel like the Relic should at least be on par or close to it with the Tome and Raid Weapon at least... even if it's slightly weaker it's still a good weapon to aim for. The reward isn't worth it when its stats are NOT the recommended stats to bring out your main class' abilities to its best and the other weapons are and quicker to get. I'm not saying the Relic at the moment should be more powerful than the Tomes and Raid Weapon, but have something to give it that "oomph" to make them stand on their own.

I wouldn't mind if the Relic Weapons allow you to "pick" a special ability for it to your playstyle or something to really bring out more advantageous PvE situations.

[Azper]

Tl;dr

You want it, but don't want to work for it? Got it.

You know what I do when the game gives me something I don't find enjoyable? I don't do it.

We all know it'll be nerfed in due time, so if you please:

[Reynhart]

* Still nowhere near it after several months.

Suppose you have absolutely no reputation whatsoever with any ARR beast tribe.
If you decided to start those right when the Anima quest appeared, and only do your dailys, you'd already have all the tokens you need without any poop socking grind, while giving a nice Xp boost to any job not already maxed.
And you could save your Eso for the highest ilvl armor and accessories.