Double Experience for each level 60.

[LineageRazor]

I disagree with the notion that the best way to learn a job is to book it to 60, get all your abilities, and THEN learn the job. The addition of DRK made it painfully, PAINFULLY clear that dropping a newbie into a dungeon with no notion of what it took to build up to those abilities is a recipe for disaster - even just at level 30! Doing the same for level 60 would be so much worse. Before a tank can tank, they need to know how enmity works. Before a BLM can master Enochian, they need to understand how to maintain Astral Fire.

Also, as for the whole "unfun" aspect, you have no one but yourself to blame if you reached level 60 through three days of endless FATE grinding. Forget about FATEs. Not only are they boring, but they don't teach you your job at all. Stick to daily Roulettes. Sure, you won't get your job to 60 in half a week like you could with FATEs - but why do you need your job capped that quickly? It takes less than a year to cap every class by way of Daily Roulettes, and most of us will be playing this game far, far longer than a single year.

[Shurrikhan]

I disagree with the notion that the best way to learn a job is to book it to 60, get all your abilities, and THEN learn the job. The addition of DRK made it painfully, PAINFULLY clear that dropping a newbie into a dungeon with no notion of what it took to build up to those abilities is a recipe for disaster.

None of these things are necessarily learned by spending more time in leveling though. There are plenty of players who can read the ability book and know 90% how the job should be played. But there are also people who will do 500 dungeons and still not know how to Cleric Stance, or even why it's not a good idea to spend your time idle unless you're starved or will be starved on mana. I'll agree that it doesn't take long to level everything to 60, so I don't think there's any dire need for speed improvements. But there's definitely no need to not to do so, either. Small increases to leveling rate are not going to hurt anyone. If anything, leaving as is a model that gives neither substantial challenge nor support during the leveling process will.

Also, are FATEs actually still the fastest exp farms on your server, even? 50-60 AST took all of 7 hrs for me just off dungeons. I honestly don't remember DRG or BLM going nearly that fast off FATEs. I wonder how much mindlessness is just an unfortunate side-effect compared to the actual *attraction* of FATEs, where they're still active nowadays (apart from DPS avoiding ridiculous queue times).

[ErzaScarlet77]

maybe if you'd stop posting on the forum and actually play the game you would have more character at 60.
not even a year played and already 2200 posts. christ...

[Felis]

maybe if increased exp come together with increased difficulty in dungeons and FATEs, so the players have to work and the content need longer for the reward.

[Noxifer]

I mean, I feel like you misread the post or something:

There's just no fun ways to do it.

"Fun" is highly subjective, though. What you find "fun" might be really boring for something else, and likewise some people enjoy the levelling experience. Felis had a good point though in that there are a multitude of ways to do said levelling, and IMO the best way is to vary the means you use. I've saved as many sidequests as possible while levelling up my first class (due to MSQ experience benefit), and use those when I'm at the appropriate level for subsequent classes. I do the challenge log as much as I care to. I'm a very slow leveller since I'm not actively levelling stuff every day, so I only have two (WAR and ACN/SCH), and two more heading there slowly. Am I happy for the armoury bonus? Sure. Even more so once I learned (just a few weeks ago, dammit!) that the exp bonus equipment work when you're synched down to appropriate levels for them. Do I want insane increases in the armoury bonus? Not really.

They give normal exp, not extra exp.

Not entirely true =) You still get the armoury bonus on mob kills, and since dungeon mobs give a LOT more exp than open world mobs, that boost is quite nice.



Also, took those screenshots to prove full armoury bonus without a level 60, and without even a level 50 class. All you need is to not be on your highest class to get it.
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Decided to take screenshot of a Fate completion, since that doesn't get the kill chain buff, equipment boost, food buff or FC buff.

[Shurrikhan]

maybe if increased exp come together with increased difficulty in dungeons and FATEs, so the players have to work and the content need longer for the reward.

Challenge AND reward? Before endgame?! Whhaaat??

I'm sorry. Yes, that would be great.

[Zari]

I don't think that is possible even with 2000%+ Experience. Don't know what that nonsense is but your blowing it overboard.

The entire point of the thread was to reward people who had multiple level 60s for each level 60 they had until the next expansion came out.

Someone clearly doesnt know the meaning of exaggeration

[SpookyGhost]

"Fun" is highly subjective, though. What you find "fun" might be really boring for something else[...]

My point was more that:

- food
- rested exp
- armory bonus

aren't like... active things that can result in "fun". They're just multipliers to EXP that you get through other activities, like dungeons and FATEs. Dungeons and FATEs can be counted as activities that are "fun", but that's pretty much all we've got to actually earn EXP. Even the challenge log specifically rewards doing those things, and those are the things we do every time we level any job. I think it's fair to say that it'd be nice to have other options to break up the monotony.

[Krissey]

I keep hating classes as they level from 50 to 60. First I leveled Ninja. LOVED LOVED LOVED the class at 50...just DISLIKE the class at 60. I could explain why, but it's sort of a petty thing. Basically I don't like that I don't get to use the highest damage "Aeolian Edge" as much as I would like because I'm constantly having to refresh dots or put up Armor Break or something. Then I level a Machinist to 60 and that's got a super complicated and intricate opener that if you don't do ever so precisely your DPS SUCKS. Not fun. I also leveled Warrior and while it's alright I don't always want to tank 100% of the time.

Finally got my monk to 60 and at least I love my monk..

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I keep hating classes as they level from 50 to 60. First I leveled Ninja. LOVED LOVED LOVED the class at 50...just DISLIKE the class at 60. I could explain why, but it's sort of a petty thing. Basically I don't like that I don't get to use the highest damage "Aeolian Edge" as much as I would like because I'm constantly having to refresh dots or put up Armor Break or something. Then I level a Machinist to 60 and that's got a super complicated and intricate opener that if you don't do ever so precisely your DPS SUCKS. Not fun. I also leveled Warrior and while it's alright I don't always want to tank 100% of the time.

Finally got my monk to 60 and at least I love my monk..

That is the issue. The system literally punishes players like you who don't like your class and playstyles, and people don't know that perhaps maybe even why there are so many bad high level players. Players love the class leveling and get to 52ish to 60 and the class completely changes, yet they put so much effort into the class they don't want to change.

However they know for a fact they don't play it very well.

For example, that other dude earlier said when he played BARD he didn't feel a big change at all when he got WM. However, all of my bard friends said they dropped the class. They played for so long the other way, being a mobile dps and now they are locked in place and have to be to deal damage now. That is a huge change to the class, one high level skill changed their entire playstyle.