Rework ilvl?

[Zantitrach]

By at least an order of magnitude.
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FFXI was essentially impossible to progress in solo, compared to WoW where you've always been able to go all the way to the level cap without ever interacting with another person if you choose. FFXI was very slow progress even when you were interacting with other people, and that progress was 95%+ though grinding away levels on the same mobs for hours at a time.
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It's certainly possible that FFXIV lets us get too much stronger too fast, but if they slow it down it greatly restricts what they can do with new content. It's a tough balance to strike.

That was my whole point. The person I quoted was arguing in favor of FFXI style MMO and saying SE should focus less on...

SE should stick to what they do best and deliver an experience with as much horizontal gameplay as there is vertical.

My biggest issue with the game isn't the fact that we have ever-increasing item levels, but rather that there's no point to having anything except those high item levels.

I already know some of my friends who have left the game because they were bored of the same treadmill.

This is a minority opinion. The world has already voted for what they want (with their wallets) and WoW was a cash cow while FFXI, not so much. Can't Fault SE for emulating and tweaking the model (which I think they've done well). I assume this person wanted Kraken Clubs and various amazing items that you could get and hold onto for a long time. Unfortunately it just wasn't as popular as new gear every so often, despite being a cool concept.

I personally think XIV has found a lovely middle ground between XI and WoW, and that's why its doing so well in MMO's when so many others are being created and closed (since 2.0 obviously).

[Felis]

So, will be increasing the max ilevel every 12 months instead of every 6 months a solution?
Wouldn't be here a complaining thread if the gears in the next alex raid have the same amount of the main stats like the last Alex raid?

[Waliel]

If wow just kept a similar increase to what tbc and Wotlk were, Cata would've probably only had 50-60k-ish and mop would've been 100k-ish, but instead they decided "hey let's just give the players a stupidly obnoxious stat jump"

I think the HP jumps were mostly, at least in the beginning, because of PvP. For some god forsaken reason Blizz had to keep all skills identical in PvP and PvE, because it would be "too confusing and weird" or something, so the players had to have huge HP pools to survive the increased damage (the good old times of Hunters killing cloth users with two hits before they could even react). It didn't also help that the leveling gear of each expansion had double the stats of the previous best gear.

The stat-squish of Draenor had an interesting side effect, though. You now have like a +10000% damage done buff in old content to keep it soloable. My friend says he did over a million on an old raid boss and then 10k on some random mobs in a leveling area with the same skill.

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[Moonleg]

I wouldn't even say it's since the early Nintendo days, just look at Dungeons & Dragons. If you got your endgame equipment at level 3, why would anyone keep grinding away at the simple encounters for xp and loot? Just go kill the big bad and be done with it.

[Bracken]

what does the "i" stand for in ilevel anyway? is it SE trying to jump on the apple train or does it stand for irrelevant?

[Ibi]

what does the "i" stand for in ilevel anyway? is it SE trying to jump on the apple train or does it stand for irrelevant?

I don't think SE actually use the term ilevel anywhere; they always refer to it by the full term.

[Chasely]

It stands for item...

[Bracken]

It stands for item...

Sarcasm isn't a strong trait of yours is it, young whippersanpper.

[Chasely]

Sarcasm isn't a strong trait of yours is it, young whippersanpper.

I only recognize it when done well.