Question about Divine Veil

[Malicewolf]

Bloodbath, mercy stroke, foresight (bad but better), stoneskin, protect (think of it as a way to help your healers after they rez).

Dont waste a slot on cure qq

Also fun fact:
If you heal a party member with clemency, the additional effect heal will trigger your divine veil.

^ This would be the most optimal for DPS, but at the same time, so many of our cross class skills are so situational and majority of the time, not needed or utilized. I can tell you, no one will notice if you don't have ANY of these with you. If you went into a dungeon with none of your crosses as a PLD, I doubt anyone would say anything because none would even actually notice.

[Ashkendor]

I just use it when I know I'm going to be topped off by a healer and I know there's incoming raid damage (example: Hummelfaust's set of 2 aoe's). Popping it right before the healers shield up for a primal's ultimate or a series of aoe attacks is great, too. Once in a great while I'll trigger it myself, but since I MT a lot for my static there's not much trouble figuring out when I can time it to proc. It'd be a little trickier as OT but probably still doable with some communication. I honestly wouldn't cross-class Cure for it. Cure is a complete waste of a cross-class slot. Use Clemency, recover mana with Riot Blade, profit.

[chidarake]

thing about divine veil in most cases though is that it does not change what a healer will or will have to do directly after the raid wide aoe. so saving it for a major damage aoe doesnt really help unless its progression raiding and it might just tip the scales to a survivable aoe as opposed to a insta death one.

so in most cases its better to use it when you know a raidwide aoe is coming and divine veil will be enough of a barrier to allow the healers to ignore it and do other stuff instead.

anything other than raids its use is virtually unoticed by anyone, more so now that we auto activate it ourselves.

[Malicewolf]

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Eh, I've used it in Ex trials. It's a nice little hp buffer since it's 10% of your tanks max hp. Not each individuals. So on avg, that's a good 2000 buffer for everyone. usually when you put it up, your healers are also placing up their mass regen or mitigation. I love when party wide dmg is coming and we have SCH's with galvanize and my divine veil up It's always fun to see if any of the buffs are still up at the end of the dmg and see that they party itself basically took zero dmg. Is it needed? No, not really. But it does mean the healers can focus on helping DPS more instead of healing.

And this isn't a good situation to need it.. but if I see it looks like failure is coming in a dungeon run on a mass pull (has happened a few times with big pulls in Neverreap), i'll throw up divine veil to get the buff on my DPS and healer. It's not a HUGE buffer boost, but it has given me enough time after dying to respawn and run back over before everyone was dead :P

[chidarake]

my point though is that if the healer shield / buff they just applied is enough to mitigate the damage and they wont have to do anything additional directly after to make sure the party survives then applying divine veil at that time is wasted.

you may as well of applied it after so everyone has a shield for the next little while allowing your healers to do whatever they want. or better yet tell the healers your applying it and maybe it was enough of a shield so that the healer could of just dps'd the whole time instead of switching from cleric.

don't get me wrong its a good skill that should be used often, like encidna in VA you can use divine veil on both raid wide attacks as the timer will reset or you could use it just before the shared aoe as most healers wont prep for that they just react after so you could save them having to heal at that point possibly.

there is a lot of places it can be useful just most the time for raid wide's that healers are prepping for it isn't.

[Cabalabob]

Even being able to proc divine veil cure is a waste of a cross class spot, in the rare circumstances that I've had divine veil and the healer didn't proc it I've always had enough mp to clemency to proc it myself and still had enough left over to stoneskin myself and stance swap, there's no need for cure. Maybe if they ever make cure a worthwhile heal in its own right that will change but right now it's just too weak, an open world trash mobs auto attacks will deal more damage than you can cure with a convalescence cure. Until that's not the case, stick with clemency and cross class something useful like protect or mercy stroke in that 5th spot.

[Koenignovi]

Before the change, I just made a small macro that announced I was using Divine Veil and how to proc it. (Yes, I am one of those Plds....) Healers picked up on it and it worked out will. Since the update changed Divine Veil, I still use the macro to warn the healers, but I also cast Clemency on myself to assist the healer if they cant get me in time. It might be a waste of a heal from the healer, but in most cases, they are casting an AoE heal on my or the party to try and blanket the proc. All in all, DV + Clem is a win for Pld at this point.

[Synestra]

I use both Cure and Clemency for proccing DV it just depends on situation, Clemency when i get full use of its heal potential+proc and Cure just for triggering DV effect when healing is not actually needed. PLD CC's are all trivial at best so its not like there is huge selection of awesome skills, SS and FS are only truly good ones while BB and MS are nice bonus, Raise and Protect are pretty much next to useless altho Protect has some uses while Raise has none.

[Ragnorak]

I activate it myself I've noticed some df healers don't know what to look for or when it's been used by a tank so if I'm not with my static healers I clemency myself with it up and boom everybody's got one \o/

[Levaru]

...Your mana is not a precious resource. You /never/ use it...

I find it weird that people think Pallys don't use MP. Maybe its just me and my mana hungry ways when I tank, but if there are 3 or more mobs I still use flash in my rotation.
And I use clemency whenever necessary, even if I have a good healer. Since clemency is in between cure 1/2 most of the time, I'll pop it when I'm at 50% and know I'll be taking damage soon to make the healers life easier.

And something I've rarely seen from other Pallys is healing other people. I've made it a goal of mine to start healing DPS and other members during raids since when OT I sometimes have nothing better to do.

I've been kicked from a dungeon for waiting on my MP to regen after a wipe since the healer wasn't doing a his job and I had to rely on sustaining my self.

I know that most Pallys use less MP than a Dark knight, which most people think of when they think tanks doing MP management.