Patience as a Tank

[Malicewolf]

I can agree with that, but I'd rather just kick the person who's being rude in the first place (which would be the DPS pulling for me). As I said, i will take the first time, but after I directly ask, if you decide to disregard my request, then either you're going to get a vote kick, or I'm going to get a vote kick. Luckily for me, this isn't much of an issue usually, but I recall my party having to boot a monk in Solm Al once. Literally, the dungeon started, and before I could type hello, they pulled the first mob for me. I took and asked them to stop. Then they pulled the next mob, I asked one more time as we sat there infront of the boss fight. They pulled the boss for me. Luckily, the rest of the party was on my side and we simply vote kicked.

A toxic player will overall slow the dungeon pace to begin with. I'd rather take the wipe so we can initiate the vote kick. I don't mind a DPS making a mistake. They can even do it once on purpose, but after I ask them to stop, I expect their respect to do what I asked. It's as simple as that, it's about respecting one another. I don't feel like becoming that flying head in tam tara HM.

[Koenignovi]

Didn't realize my reply would cause more debate on the patient tank stance.

@Kitfox, I agree, what I said was rather hostile. That said, the context of the run was out of scope for my post. There were words and hasty attitudes within the group that pushed me to be more frank than I am use too. The Whm and Blm were queued together and they obviously knew each others play style. They even went as far as to mouth off the Nin that joined us since they were hoping for a Brd to join.

I should have said something at the start but I just wanted to go through the dungeon as I normally do and pull at the pace I am familiar with. I know I can hold more mobs, but the Whm was already threading my HP while also DPSing so I didn't want to push my luck. The way I see it, if we don't pull large groups, then the healer can join in on DPS to move things along faster. He was already doing this, and at the expense of me nearly dying several times.

My biggest problem with all this was the last thing they did at the end of the dungeon. Knowing I was already hostile with them, they let me enter into the last fight and backed out without their support. It was an obvious wipe and they knew if I died, they could get a clean kick with a 2/2 vote kick. This just infuriates me to no end. I was livid. I reported them, knowing it's not going to get anywhere, for my own peace of mind.

I'm in DF just like everyone else. The way I see it, if it's DF, be prepared to be patient. If it's a premade, do what you do with the people you do it with.

[Enkonda]

I honestly never thought of telling someone to stop pulling mobs as more of a pride thing IMO, if I don't believe I can pull what you think I can pull, I probably can't pull it. I can't say I'd kick someone just for continually pulling mobs, though. I would instead, click off Shield Oath and replace it with Sword Oath and dps and then there'll just be a party with two dps and one low-tier dps with a large amount of vitality, and a confused healer who's probably trying to figure out why the dps think they're the tanks. I actually can't say I've had this happen to me more than once.

I can only recall one instance where I was running Copperbell (sic?) NM and the healer (out of all people) began to pull mobs. I'm sure it wasn't because they were making sure I didn't miss patrolling enemies...I was 100% positive that I was going to get them as soon as they came into range. I wasn't mad, though. I'm not going to say "hey, can you stop pulling mobs." Why? It's obvious that the mentality of a majority of the Final Fantasy 14's community is that everyone sports this game 24/7 and that you should be the best player in the world or at least good enough so that you don't hamper anyone else's playstyle. That's when people in dungeons get mad at when you aren't following the pace set by the Tank. Tank going to slow? "They're making this dungeon take longer than it needs to" *proceeds to pull as a squishy BLM*. Tank not doing what I believe they should be doing? Goes into Sensei mode and tries to lecture the tank (and ends up being wrong 90% of the time).

What I'm saying as that, I created this post in the shiny veil of unappreciated tanks who are very patient, endearing, and tolerant of the kind of scenarios given here today in this thread by this forum's patrons. Hopefully anyone who's either transitioning into a tank, having tanking be your first class, or just have been putting off for one reason or another will see this thread and take heed of the important topics discussed and/or continued discussions.

[Pells]

My point is, as soon as you stop doing your job as a tank because of one asshat, it pretty much ruins the whole thing for the whole party.

As soon as you get one asshat, it pretty much ruins the whole thing for the whole party. Why would you accommodate someone who is trying to ruin your experience?

[Kitfox]

As soon as you get one asshat, it pretty much ruins the whole thing for the whole party. Why would you accommodate someone who is trying to ruin your experience?

Why would I accommodate a person like that? Because the party has 3 other people who just want to finish the duty? I mean, you can focus on the single person, or think about the group as a whole.

[The_NPC]

only time I have had ppl other than me pull mobs as tank (which is PLD, lv'd DRK for the story only) was my healers which like hell I'm gona let them die for being an asshat & pulling more than I did, cause then I die by lack of heals, so I just took them & turtled faster than I normally would have (more/use def CD's cause a 3 mob pull u'd usually not need 1) I lived so after it happened a few times with different healers I have come to assume if the healer pulls more then they think you (& them) can handle it.... I do not take a mob from a DPS who does that thou untill its about to attack the healer mostly outa spite toward impaciant DPS (which are about 80% of the ppl who do that as DPS, some are accidental)

I think I have only "snaped" on 2 ppl as tank, 1 was a BLM telling my friend how to heal as SCH (which hes my go to choice as healer... till he gets board -_-!) other I can't fuly remember but I do know the rest of the team went after them for me. I just usually stop the fighting by saying about save it for after the dungeons done which usually works for 1 silent rest of dungeon (or the arngy/hostle person leaves outa rage-quit which technically solves it anyway)

[Sarynth]

Trying like mad to break into tanking myself, wanted to for YEARS. Yes its a pain; you\\'re under scrutiny all the time and never get the credit bad DDs do, I consider some tanks to actually be masochistic, but respected none-the-less. Props to those who can deal with the crap with a smile though.

I main heals, always have, I never understood healers who go off on tangents about how bad players can be, to me its probably the easiest class (may just be the experience talking, hell I dunno).

Good players are good, bads are bad, get over it and enjoy the game I say.

Took a break since 2.5, appearently I didn\\'t miss much hahah.

I'm totally one of those masochistic tanks you mentioned. Record damage for sephirot ex was 300k when I took both but stomps after the party had already wiped :3 on topic though I main drk and absolutely love it, and it's fun to try the other tow to see the different playstyles.

[Gameplayzero]

I main heals, always have, I never understood healers who go off on tangents about how bad players can be.

because you have to deal with peoples mistakes a lot more as a healer than a tank. I think people underestimate how much the healer does for the party. If you have a bad tank (unless they pull more than their limits) healers can carry them. Dps constantly keeps ripping aggro? Just a tank problem mostly right? No because healer now has to heal dps who got cleaved along side of everyone else if boss aoes. Hell even sometimes dps can just tank it if healer is on it. Mechanics not done? Healer has to clean up the mess. Yes tank have problems too, but not quite on the same lvl as heals. Most of the problems that happen tanks really can't help out aside from aggro, dpsing, and maybe support (paladin). It falls on the healer.

Especially if you are trying to dps on top of it, rather than just afk netflix heal.

[Nezkeys79]

What I found for tanks was how impossible it is to please your party. Pull too many and people complain, don't pull enough and people complain. Move too fast, complaints, move too slow, more complaints. I've even seen healers complain about how a tank used his skills, when the healers advise was completely wrong, I feel like no role quite puts you under a microscope of personal opinions like tank.

The general cancerous mentality is this for most people, especially on DF...As a tank you must perform with 100% efficiency all the time. If you make one little mistake you are immediately a shit tank who should play another class/job and the whole wrath of the human race will descend upon you. When it's someone elses mistake in the party, it's still your fault and bad dps and healer use this cancerous mentality to hide their own failings. If you defend yourself in those instances then the majority of the time you are laughed at and eventually vote kicked.

[Nezkeys79]

Dps constantly keeps ripping aggro? Just a tank problem mostly right?

I like how you made it sound like it almost has to be the fault of the tank as the precedence. You can have the best tank in the world who knows his job inside out but if you have a dps in the dungeon (especially lower level dungeons) who doesn't understand enmity at all and has no clue how to control their threat generation...that good tank can be made to look bad in a DF. All it takes is two more band wagon retards to agree with a "ffs where I come from tanks tank. You cant hold aggro you're a shit tank so just quit" comment. That good tank could defend themselves and most likely would get vote kicked in that instance of 3 retard bandwagoners