MCH PVP Nerfs!? Really!?

[Lilith_Merquise]

Ya Rice has the right of it, BRD has a lot in it's tool kit for burst, and Blood Letter wasn't even mentioned with its ability to PRoc. A lot of times, as a MCH you have your big wombo Combo, then if you don't get a kill.... welp start kiting or annoying the healer, because you're really not putting out much for a good while, as opposed to BRD that can keep putting it down much more. I will say that BRD doesn't have the utility of MCH and may be a bit lesser than, but not by much to where MCH should get nerfed, it's to where BRD should get buffed. MCH feels like where ranged classes SHOULD BE in PVP. We get a PVP ability to heal, but that's it, an I guess you can put up parry for w/e that means to help defensively but for the most part, you are 100% committed to DPS and the lowest capability defensively of all DPS classes.

Let's see. 15-20% damage lost from VIT changes alone, on top of Tanks losing the additional damage they gained in pvp, which was 10%.

Also I don't understand this, how did they lose 10%, 15-20% I can get, but even then it's a gross exaggeration to me because it's really more like 10%. Not to mention you're trading off 10% DPS for a very large chunk of HP that makes you damn near unkillable. I've seen a WAR put down a double Berserk Fell Cleave and drop a healer, hell it's actually the strat most WAR's employee, is to just cleave the healer own quickly to win. I'm sorry, but I don't agree with this, and frankly WAR could use a bit of a nerf in capability to be brought more in line with DRK but still above PLD's DPS.

[Houston009]

Also I don't understand this, how did they lose 10%, 15-20% I can get, but even then it's a gross exaggeration to me because it's really more like 10%. Not to mention you're trading off 10% DPS for a very large chunk of HP that makes you damn near unkillable. I've seen a WAR put down a double Berserk Fell Cleave and drop a healer, hell it's actually the strat most WAR's employee, is to just cleave the healer own quickly to win. I'm sorry, but I don't agree with this, and frankly WAR could use a bit of a nerf in capability to be brought more in line with DRK but still above PLD's DPS.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...701.1459208587

That's the 10% I'm talking about. Tanks lost more than 10% from vit changes, not gonna do the research for you.

Was the healer good, or mediocre? Just saying "oh warrior dropped my healer" doesn't mean anything. Especially since I've seen PLD/DRK do the same.

What Warrior brings is its burst, for the trade of less utility. Paladin has Cover, Testudo, Clemency, and a ton of other utility. If you wanna nerf Warrior's core role, then I assume you want Paladin to lose some utility.

Warrior does not need to be brought down to DRK, DRK needs to be brought up to PLD/WAR.

[Lilith_Merquise]

..... did you just source content that predates the content in question....

[Houston009]

..... did you just source content that predates the content in question....

Yes, yes I did.

Also I don't understand this, how did they lose 10%.

^That is why. You realize what I linked is currently in affect?

[RiceisNice]

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...701.1459208587

Unless I'm missing something here, all jobs including warrior, paladin and DRK have a 10% damage dealt increased over their class counterparts. The change back then was done to discourage people from going in as classes insteadof jobs.

[Houston009]

Unless I'm missing something here, all jobs including warrior, paladin and DRK have a 10% damage dealt increased over their class counterparts. The change back then was done to discourage people from going in as classes insteadof jobs.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...d0980ac2b5a39c

"[2.0][3.0] Damage bonuses for tanks have been reduced in PvP encounters."

I may have over-exaggerated the net loss as 30% (Many tanks say they lost 30% in PvP). The reduction may have gone to 5,3, or even 1%. However, that loss of damage bonus + the physical vuln 10+% on every JOB + vit changes = 25%~ damage loss as a tank.

[Houston009]

Also, you should've made this thread in the actual PvP section so that more PvPers know this thread exist.

[Myon88]

They seem to have omitted any MCH PvP changes in the 3.25 notes which just came out. Perhaps they had a change of heart?

[Lilith_Merquise]

Welp this has become diluted with irrelevant numbers from previous patches, and exaggerated guestimates.... But MCH PVP adjustments have been at the least delayed for now, if not nullifid, so lt's hope it stays that way.

[Houston009]

Welp this has become diluted with irrelevant numbers from previous patches, and exaggerated guestimates.... But MCH PVP adjustments have been at the least delayed for now, if not nullifid, so lt's hope it stays that way.

"irrelevant numbers from previous patches." LOL you are a funny one. Typical forumer.