Addon discussion

[raelgun]

Addons? Planning to turn this comunity into the toxic wow comunity?

The community was already toxic to begin with, its human nature, feature set of a game never changes the human trait.

[Velox]

The community was already toxic to begin with, its human nature, feature set of a game never changes the human trait.

Games that existed before add-ons were objectively more friendly though. There has always been toxicity in playerbases, but the mandatory drive of add-ons and parsers have made it worse in modern MMOs. In my opinion, add-ons are one of the single worse things to ever come to gaming, but I come from a time before such things existed so I may just be having a "good ol' days" nostalgic moment.

[raelgun]

Games that existed before add-ons were objectively more friendly though. There has always been toxicity in playerbases, but the mandatory drive of add-ons and parsers have made it worse in modern MMOs. In my opinion, add-ons are one of the single worse things to ever come to gaming, but I come from a time before such things existed so I may just be having a "good ol' days" nostalgic moment.

I will be honest and say that before the internet became more mainstream then yes, things were more friendly but once more households got access to the internet, thats when games became more toxic, the feature set of a game didn't change the human mind set.

[CGMidlander]

Games that existed before add-ons were objectively more friendly though. There has always been toxicity in playerbases, but the mandatory drive of add-ons and parsers have made it worse in modern MMOs. In my opinion, add-ons are one of the single worse things to ever come to gaming, but I come from a time before such things existed so I may just be having a "good ol' days" nostalgic moment.

I don't think the word "objective" means what you think it means.
There is no objective measure of what is considered "friendly".

[Duelle]

Games that existed before add-ons were objectively more friendly though. There has always been toxicity in playerbases, but the mandatory drive of add-ons and parsers have made it worse in modern MMOs. In my opinion, add-ons are one of the single worse things to ever come to gaming, but I come from a time before such things existed so I may just be having a "good ol' days" nostalgic moment.

Not really. Rather than arguments because the numbers told you so, you had arguments based on myths and any confirmation bias the hive mind was subject to. Shame shit, different cause. It's an extension of human nature, is inevitable and as such a poor argument against addons.

Hell, I could argue that addons, specially the ones along the lines of Big Wigs and DBM would open up raiding to those who have trouble memorizing every step of a boss fight. Not to mention the people looking for hard numbers to improve their performance and measure themselves against the best in the world.

To me, this is probably somewhere between PS limitations and some degree of control. I'm sure some devs are adverse to having players figure out everything about the game (which would explain why we don't have accuracy percentages, crit percentages and so on available to us). Parsers in particular would make it easier to gauge stat weights and other useful information.

[Ashkendor]

Boy I sure am glad they've been promising the release of addon support since 2.1, although now I guess we can finally add it to the list of pipe dream additions like that accessible housing system they've been talking about since the end of 1.0

Er. We're supposed to be getting instanced housing in 3.3, no?

The community was already toxic to begin with, its human nature, feature set of a game never changes the human trait.

Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine? o.O

[raelgun]

Er. We're supposed to be getting instanced housing in 3.3, no?



Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine? o.O

Its always funny how people think addons or feature sets in games changes people, thats not too dissimilar about how some news articles think video gaming can make people violent, people can be dicks to begin with and have no social capacity, addons do not cause that.

[Ashkendor]

Its always funny how people think addons or feature sets in games changes people, thats not too dissimilar about how some news articles think video gaming can make people violent, people can be dicks to begin with and have no social capacity, addons do not cause that.

I was more referring to you categorically calling our community toxic. Certainly there's some toxic individuals, but the community as a whole is actually pretty friendly. There's far worse out there, mostly on games with a heavier emphasis on PvP aspects.

[raelgun]

I was more referring to you categorically calling our community toxic. Certainly there's some toxic individuals, but the community as a whole is actually pretty friendly. There's far worse out there, mostly on games with a heavier emphasis on PvP aspects.

Why would a game favour one or the other? Games to not turn people toxic nor attract one over the other, the community is toxic, you are just being biased, do I consider other mmo communities toxic, yes I do, I consider them equally as bad as this one. No one game has a worse or better community to each other.

[Shebah]

Its always funny how people think addons or feature sets in games changes people, thats not too dissimilar about how some news articles think video gaming can make people violent, people can be dicks to begin with and have no social capacity, addons do not cause that.

I don't believe its addons that change people, but rather their ability to be used to put down other people. From my experiences- save for a few bad eggs, FF doesn't generally attract as much of the "arrogant, self-entitled" types as a certain other MMO+MOBA to really make this too much of a problem. I'm fine with meters being a thing, but I don't think the option to link them in chat should be available.

I can think of some pretty nice addons aside from DPS meters. An RP profile addon would be nice since the Search Info is way too short for anything. So would addons that mark Hunting Log and Aether Current locations so I don't have to go through finding them all over again on alts.