Addon discussion

[Velox]

The community was already toxic to begin with, its human nature, feature set of a game never changes the human trait.

Games that existed before add-ons were objectively more friendly though. There has always been toxicity in playerbases, but the mandatory drive of add-ons and parsers have made it worse in modern MMOs. In my opinion, add-ons are one of the single worse things to ever come to gaming, but I come from a time before such things existed so I may just be having a "good ol' days" nostalgic moment.

[raelgun]

Games that existed before add-ons were objectively more friendly though. There has always been toxicity in playerbases, but the mandatory drive of add-ons and parsers have made it worse in modern MMOs. In my opinion, add-ons are one of the single worse things to ever come to gaming, but I come from a time before such things existed so I may just be having a "good ol' days" nostalgic moment.

I will be honest and say that before the internet became more mainstream then yes, things were more friendly but once more households got access to the internet, thats when games became more toxic, the feature set of a game didn't change the human mind set.

[CGMidlander]

Games that existed before add-ons were objectively more friendly though. There has always been toxicity in playerbases, but the mandatory drive of add-ons and parsers have made it worse in modern MMOs. In my opinion, add-ons are one of the single worse things to ever come to gaming, but I come from a time before such things existed so I may just be having a "good ol' days" nostalgic moment.

I don't think the word "objective" means what you think it means.
There is no objective measure of what is considered "friendly".

[Duelle]

Games that existed before add-ons were objectively more friendly though. There has always been toxicity in playerbases, but the mandatory drive of add-ons and parsers have made it worse in modern MMOs. In my opinion, add-ons are one of the single worse things to ever come to gaming, but I come from a time before such things existed so I may just be having a "good ol' days" nostalgic moment.

Not really. Rather than arguments because the numbers told you so, you had arguments based on myths and any confirmation bias the hive mind was subject to. Shame shit, different cause. It's an extension of human nature, is inevitable and as such a poor argument against addons.

Hell, I could argue that addons, specially the ones along the lines of Big Wigs and DBM would open up raiding to those who have trouble memorizing every step of a boss fight. Not to mention the people looking for hard numbers to improve their performance and measure themselves against the best in the world.

To me, this is probably somewhere between PS limitations and some degree of control. I'm sure some devs are adverse to having players figure out everything about the game (which would explain why we don't have accuracy percentages, crit percentages and so on available to us). Parsers in particular would make it easier to gauge stat weights and other useful information.

[Ashkendor]

Boy I sure am glad they've been promising the release of addon support since 2.1, although now I guess we can finally add it to the list of pipe dream additions like that accessible housing system they've been talking about since the end of 1.0

Er. We're supposed to be getting instanced housing in 3.3, no?

The community was already toxic to begin with, its human nature, feature set of a game never changes the human trait.

Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine? o.O

[raelgun]

Er. We're supposed to be getting instanced housing in 3.3, no?



Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine? o.O

Its always funny how people think addons or feature sets in games changes people, thats not too dissimilar about how some news articles think video gaming can make people violent, people can be dicks to begin with and have no social capacity, addons do not cause that.

[Ashkendor]

Its always funny how people think addons or feature sets in games changes people, thats not too dissimilar about how some news articles think video gaming can make people violent, people can be dicks to begin with and have no social capacity, addons do not cause that.

I was more referring to you categorically calling our community toxic. Certainly there's some toxic individuals, but the community as a whole is actually pretty friendly. There's far worse out there, mostly on games with a heavier emphasis on PvP aspects.

[Ryel]

Er. We're supposed to be getting instanced housing in 3.3, no?

We were also supposed to get personal housing in the wards that was going to be separate from FC housing plots and was advertised as affordable and accessible alternative for the majority of the playerbase.

Then we were supposed to get additional plots and wards added on an as needed basis to meet the rising demand of the playerbase.

At one point we were also supposed to get land deeds when buying a house that would allow us to resell or upgrade the estates instead we get warnings / banned for doing so.

Now those claims are being shelved in favor of us supposedly getting instanced housing in 3.3 along with new Ishgard wards and more plots / wards added to ones currently available, However the track record so far for advertised content and the Devs actually following through on what they propose has been really lackluster.

The current state of what had been advertised and hyped with the addon API is just another case in a long slew of content / feature promises the devs have made that just don't seem like they'll ever be met, that being said however I'd rather not continue to derail this into the "things the Dev team has promised us so far that they wont follow through on" subject, just know that the list is getting steadily larger at an alarming rate.

[Transmigration]

Addons? Planning to turn this comunity into the toxic wow comunity?

DPS meters didn't do that, and WoW's community is only a little worse than this one. Compared to F2P MMO's, WoW's community is fairly strong actually.

Besides, WoW doesn't make you use 3 separate rotations depending on what buffs/debuffs are up coupled with your position on the boss, etc.. so people rarely do shitty enough DPS to actually get called out on it.

[abzoluut]

I like how they say "PlayStation". It's pretty clear it's not the PS3 in particular when it comes down to UI additions. It's consoles in general.

They couls not even add tp bars without "deleting" (party stat buffs) somethting from the UI. I wonder how they will phrase it next time.