Concerning the PIE buff on SCH/AST, please do not remove it.

[Eidolon]

Is there any reason they can't set it up so that

Having one healer = MND bonus
having two healers = MND + PIE bonus

I always found it silly that SCH + AST lacks for MND buff but taking PIE away from AST + WHM isn't the solution.

[Moqi]

Is there any reason they can't set it up so that

Having one healer = MND bonus
having two healers = MND + PIE bonus

It's way too simple and reasonable for this game.

[FoxyAreku]

You know what would fix everything?

Diurnal sect=MND Bonus
Noct sect=PIE bonus

This may be hard to code however, I dunno.

[ErryK]

You know what would fix everything?

Diurnal sect=MND Bonus
Noct sect=PIE bonus

This may be hard to code however, I dunno.

That's not a good solution, it would mean you would take double AST anyways, because cards and both party bonuses. There's no reason to take a SCH or WHM for that because you've got cards on your side as well as the buffs each sect rewards, both as a self-buff and a party buff.

[FoxyAreku]

That's not a good solution, it would mean you would take double AST anyways, because cards and both party bonuses. There's no reason to take a SCH or WHM for that because you've got cards on your side as well as the buffs each sect rewards, both as a self-buff and a party buff.

I can't tell if this is a joke post or not. If that's true then why aren't people doing it already since lots of groups run SCH/AST with no mind buff?

Two ASTs is probably the worst composition a raid group could possibly have with low DPS and cards not stacking as well as very few healing cooldowns. Scholar is OP and basically mandatory in every raid group at the moment, card buffs don't even make up for the DPS you're losing from scholar dots+consistent selene buff, so what you speak of would never happen.

[Kaurie]

I can't tell if this is a joke post or not.

Two ASTs is probably the worst composition a raid group could possibly have with low DPS and cards not stacking as well as very few healing cooldowns. Scholar is OP and basically mandatory in every raid group at the moment, card buffs don't even make up for the DPS you're losing from scholar dots+consistent selene buff, so what you speak of would never happen.

haha yeah I was wondering the same

I'd say SCH/WHM > SCH/AST > WHM/AST > WHM/WHM > AST/AST > SCH/SCH

[ErryK]

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It's not a joke post, I'm 100% serious, the only reason AST+AST isn't viable at the moment is there's no reason to do it because PIE bonus only as well as cards not stacking. I honestly believe that people would jump to AST/AST once 2 ASTs can reward both party buffs, because then you can have MND+PIE buffs, and double the amount of Balance/Arrow/whatever cards.

Even if groups are running SCH/AST, it would be the last nail on the coffin for White Mage specifically, you would never have White Mage in the "main heal" spot anymore, it would run AST for MND buff + cards, then SCH for it's DPS. There is a balance issue at this point. What Eidolon mentioned is possibly the best setup you can get while also keeping balance. It would mean you can have the option to run AST/SCH, but it wouldn't be the only setup, especially in something like DF where you have a high chance of getting the same healer.

[Alistaire]

It's not a joke post, I'm 100% serious, the only reason AST+AST isn't viable at the moment is there's no reason to do it because PIE bonus only as well as cards not stacking. I honestly believe that people would jump to AST/AST once 2 ASTs can reward both party buffs, because then you can have MND+PIE buffs, and double the amount of Balance/Arrow/whatever cards.

Even if groups are running SCH/AST, it would be the last nail on the coffin for White Mage specifically, you would never have White Mage in the "main heal" spot anymore, it would run AST for MND buff + cards, then SCH for it's DPS. There is a balance issue at this point. What Eidolon mentioned is possibly the best setup you can get while also keeping balance. It would mean you can have the option to run AST/SCH, but it wouldn't be the only setup, especially in something like DF where you have a high chance of getting the same healer.

No, the reason AST/AST isn't viable is because nocturnal stance blows.

[FoxyAreku]

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If AST/AST wasn't terrible then people would be running it. Buffs make no difference as Sch/AST is a very respectable and accepted comp without a mind bonus.

No one is doing double AST, and no one smart ever will regardless of changes. Especially now that having the same class makes you get less limit break gauge. Not to mention, as I stated, you can have a scholar and have a consistent(<---important word here) buff with selene every minute. A buff that does stack with cards no less.

Also...if white mage had any problems, then why do the majority of high end raiders see white mage and scholar as the best comp? The mind buff can't be even close to the only reason.

[Fynlar]

I think many of us BLMs do need that piety buff to get over certain MP thresholds, such as an additional Fire cast or continuous cast after Blizzard 3.

1) I think healers should have more of a say of what their healer buff should be rather than the DPS

2) if you "need" some level of piety to optimize your rotation, you should try to get it through your gear rather than have to rely on a certain job being in your party to get it. If all else fails, you'll probably be able to put some piety on your anima weapon come 3.25~