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  1. #21
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    Ehrzeth Lahr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamillion View Post
    Faulty logic is faulty. How would adding an official parser change the party leaders behavior in the above instance at all? It might have actually helped the party member in question since they would have been able to better defend themselves. Also, calling someone out for low DPS isn't proof of a parser, soooooo.....
    They had no other way of knowing that that specific DPS was not performing optimally, it could've been another dps, but they pointed out that specific player. The enmity list isn't a good judge either as it's not a viable measure of someone's DPS due to abilities like quelling strikes. Adding an official parser would cause situations like these to become more common. While I am not against their use to improve performance, it is a tool that is too likely to be abused and already is in the current way players have it. When suggesting something, something that should always be thought about is "How will players abuse this?"
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    Last edited by Ehr; 03-25-2016 at 09:21 PM.

  2. #22
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    Jamillion's Avatar
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    Calypso Celeste
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehr View Post
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    Just because the enmity list is a terrible way to judge DPS doesn't mean that the tool of a party leader didn't use it to guess at the guy he dismissed being low. Or maybe he just wanted to invite a friend and needed a scapegoat. People can make up bullshit about anythingP, doesn't mean they have proof (parser). The only way to know he wasn't talking out of his ass would be to have parser results. I'm sure there are plenty of tards that claim to have 5000 DPS just because calling them on their crap would result in a ban most likely.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    Always try to buff as a AoE

    Not always fight the DPS the same target.
    You have to switch between every enemy to see which DPS have the highest enmity on his target (or on every enemy in total if a DPS is a BLM).


    Another questions, what exactly is the difference between spear and arrow?

    Arrow is kind of like haste. For example, if in 10 seconds you'd normally be able to use 5 attacks, repeating the situation with arrow on would allow you to do 6 attacks in that same time frame of 10 seconds.

    Spear reduces the cooldown of abilities. So if a skill normally takes 60 seconds before it can be used again, spear would make it take only 50 seconds before it can be used again.

    I think that's how they work. (I'm just using random numbers)
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragology View Post
    Arrow is kind of like haste. For example, if in 10 seconds you'd normally be able to use 5 attacks, repeating the situation with arrow on would allow you to do 6 attacks in that same time frame of 10 seconds.

    Spear reduces the cooldown of abilities. So if a skill normally takes 60 seconds before it can be used again, spear would make it take only 50 seconds before it can be used again.

    I think that's how they work. (I'm just using random numbers)
    Yep, that's correct
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehr View Post
    When suggesting something, something that should always be thought about is "How will players abuse this?"
    The answer is simple: Everything can be abused: it's not our fault if we can find ways to exploit the mechanics of something. It's SE's job to make it work properly without being potentially abusive.

    In another thread about the parser, I said that thinking how something can be potentially abusive won't improve the game: people already do their worst on this matter. And I'm sorry but in order to improve your game experience you HAVE to take risks, you HAVE to try it out before even saying "It will be abused".

    ....and even then you'll still find people who will most likely abuse anyway. Should we get everything removed because it can be potentially abused?

    An example? Item level. You gotta have X amount of ilvl to enter said dungeons or said raid. Your dps might be bad but hey, as long as you're full 230 it doesn't matter: you are, by Item level standards, superior to that 200 dps who can dish out the same dps as you do. That's not what item level is for but yet, it's abused.

    The recent SSS addition: I saw messages of people requiring you to beat "Insert boss" dummy in order to beat it. And even then, you might not have the required Item level because "you might be bad", yet you can beat the dummy just fine (heck maybe the 230 can't even do it). Still, no can do: you didn't kill the dummy so you're out, which it's not its original intentions.

    Housing can be abused: the way they implemented the private housing, it's not a surprise if people will jump on it. The idea was simple and definitely worth applying, but it was abused because of "noticeable gaps" and flaws in planning. I like that they at least experimented with it but still, it's a victim of abuse.

    Trading can be abused: just trade whenever someone is teleporting, and they won't be able to move. That's abuse to my eyes since...you know, you can't even teleport!

    Being able to queue in group for most roulettes: it can potentially be abused by making a 3-player group kick the 4th one, and let him jump in. I'm glad this is now a thing because now I can play with my friends. And no, I don't abuse this system but hey, it can be abused...but I'm sure you don't see many abusing it right?

    And my favourite of all: chat box can be abused....just spam by copying and pasting something and voila, you're abusing the chat box! Sure this was changed and whenever you talk too often (even normally), you'll see a message in red. But still it can be abused despite the modification. I'm sure you know of swearing and bad languages...oh but there's blacklist!

    Still, the same person can go on alt and continue doing the same...is even alt making abused?

    There are dozens, if not hundreds of things that can be abused, but saying it won't make the game better. SE should try to put it in, see how it works out and, if the situation becomes bad, they can always remove it. Saying that it can be abused won't save us from abuse: we ALREADY have abusive players, we ALWAYS had them, we will ALWAYS have them.

    Parser isn't going to be the first, nor the last thing being victim of abuse.
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    Last edited by Voltyblast; 03-25-2016 at 10:07 PM.

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    X'lantaa Lizhashen
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    The only way to avoid the parser-obsesed abuse is make a personal parser, only for you, but not allow see other people DPS and put a message in red (like the vote kick) adversiting that abusing with this is a punishable act. This way you still can report a bad use of it. Problem solved. If someoen ask "make a capture and send me to see the DPS", you can say no.
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  7. #27
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    Agree with OP.

    Some of you guys didn't even read WHY it would be meaningful to AST, you just saw "parser" and hopped in here to "NOPE."

    OP even gave you a TLDR... GG
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Priya View Post
    Agree with OP.

    Some of you guys didn't even read WHY it would be meaningful to AST, you just saw "parser" and hopped in here to "NOPE."

    OP even gave you a TLDR... GG
    Logic and statistics have already shown that 80% of the players against parsers don't do endgame raids and are usually afraid that the world will find out their dps sucks.
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  9. #29
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    Khalindra Nela
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickXRolled View Post
    Logic and statistics have already shown that 80% of the players against parsers don't do endgame raids and are usually afraid that the world will find out their dps sucks.
    Logic and statistics says , that players who have fun in game dont post on the forums :P and actually play the game instead ^^
    Also people who think they are soooo good in a video game want a dps parser to prove how good they are and how bad the casual player is :P to boost theyre alrdy high ego to the sky on some general forums where 99% of the world dosnt give a damn :P
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  10. #30
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    I want one just so I can gague my own personal performance when trying different CD/Weaponskill rotations.
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