Originally Posted by NailBach

No, we don't need a parser.

Just yesterday i was in a Ravana farm group. We did well, ignored the add phase, downed him quite fast. After the first down the party leader told one of the DPS that his DPS was too low and we could clear it 10 seconds faster. This was followed by a kick. I then left too, as i can't stand that kind of attitude. I also blacklisted said partyleader and i once in a while check his farm progress. He still hasn't his pony and i hope it stays that way.

Report him. Parsers are against the TOS, though SE doesn't do anything about them unless people report the users. This guy was using one AND using it in an improper manner.

I just throw it to the dps highest on the enmity list or if they are all the same I give it to the job that is "supposed" to be on top like DRG, MNK or BLM...but then again it doesn't bother me all to much and in 8 man groups it's more useful to go for a spread anyways...

No idea how it works. Can you throw it on multiple people like peotect? Or is the CD too high?

Enmity is a fairly reliable way to gauge single target dps for non tanks. You just have to keep in mind that summoners and machinist will be a bit better than what's shown due to splitting hate with their pet/turret.

Pll using quelling strike, elusive jump, or NIN abilities ... you can't rely on enmity list.

Originally Posted by NailBach

No, we don't need a parser.

Just yesterday i was in a Ravana farm group. We did well, ignored the add phase, downed him quite fast. After the first down the party leader told one of the DPS that his DPS was too low and we could clear it 10 seconds faster. This was followed by a kick. I then left too, as i can't stand that kind of attitude. I also blacklisted said partyleader and i once in a while check his farm progress. He still hasn't his pony and i hope it stays that way.

Faulty logic is faulty. How would adding an official parser change the party leaders behavior in the above instance at all? It might have actually helped the party member in question since they would have been able to better defend themselves. Also, calling someone out for low DPS isn't proof of a parser, soooooo.....

Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Enmity is a fairly reliable way to gauge single target dps for non tanks. You just have to keep in mind that summoners and machinist will be a bit better than what's shown due to splitting hate with their pet/turret.

Lol, yeah, no. As people have already pointed out, there are tons of skills that modify enmity. Not to mention things like AOE. If I multidot and AOE in something like A2 for instance and the other DPS are using single target rotations they'll be ahead of me on the enmity list for quite a few enemies but I'll be killing them in DPS.

Always try to buff as a AoE

Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Enmity is a fairly reliable way to gauge single target dps for non tanks. You just have to keep in mind that summoners and machinist will be a bit better than what's shown due to splitting hate with their pet/turret.

Not always fight the DPS the same target.
You have to switch between every enemy to see which DPS have the highest enmity on his target (or on every enemy in total if a DPS is a BLM).


Another questions, what exactly is the difference between spear and arrow?

Originally Posted by Jamillion

Faulty logic is faulty. How would adding an official parser change the party leaders behavior in the above instance at all? It might have actually helped the party member in question since they would have been able to better defend themselves. Also, calling someone out for low DPS isn't proof of a parser, soooooo.....

I agree with you but offer the following:

Player called out begins to defend their DPS, others weigh in about rotations etc. It eventually ends up being a cluster of arguments & counter-arguments rather than getting the job done.

I'm incredibly conflicted about parsers because I can see the real value in having the figures but unfortunately we just cannot trust a huge portion of the community to behave decently with them. The current situation is how it has to be until players realise they need to work together & show far less entitlement than they currently do.

For the love of Halone, not again with this thread!!