tanks not using cooldowns?

[Tanathya]

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You will hardly find anyone who's got a bigger crusade than my own against laziness, but let's face it, CC is worthless. It just is, I wish it wasn't, but it is. It really is that simple. You got a bad tank and think something like Sleep, or even Tri-bind is gonna help? Well, it might, but not because CC is useful, but because the tank is useless.

[Yuni_Queen]

Why do we think about CC as something we should weave into rotation?

It's a kinda "Oh shit!" button rather than actually something that should be used on daily basis, otherwise blizzard 3 would have sleep on it, to make sure, that each good BLM is using it.

While it is too much to say that sleep, bind etc. is useless, its simply problematic and inconvenient in usage.

Is stun a CC? if yes, why paladin just not use shield bash for the life? ^ That's why lol.
In level 60 dun - iirc - sleep has no effect and i believe for a reason.
It would be probably too OP and that means it is usefull.

However in places, that sleep can be used, why people use it?
As someone mentioned already, it is becuase healer/tank had to go afk to pick up child from the floor, or to wipe the keyboard from tea they just spilled, or because they DC'd.

Cool, nice, but don't use it too often.

[MagiusNecros]

Crowd Control skills being useless for 90% of all content just means they streamlined the game to have little to no depth or strategy involved so people can clear content. Oh boy oh joy. May as well have the skill not exist then.

Oh but mah PvP

[Whiteroom]

You will hardly find anyone who's got a bigger crusade than my own against laziness, but let's face it, CC is worthless. It just is, I wish it wasn't, but it is. It really is that simple. You got a bad tank and think something like Sleep, or even Tri-bind is gonna help? Well, it might, but not because CC is useful, but because the tank is useless.

Yep, and teaching the tank, even a little will help them more in the long run than sleeping a couple of enemies.


For me to be pushed healing in a dungeon, it has to be more than min ilvl. I have to be min and people have to be doing foolish stuff. Tank pulling big with non aoe classes, when they can hold hate, and dps is super slow. Tbh, I can't think of a time when it (sleep) was really useful to me as far as damage mitigation.

Like I said, Holy helps for dpsing longer, and I'll heavy things like True Heart, but it's not a must.

[Jpec07]

Tbh, I can't think of a time when it (sleep) was really useful to me as far as damage mitigation.

I've only ever encountered it once. The BLM from my FC AoE-sleep'd a pack of mobs to prevent an over-pull with an undergeared, struggling healer, because I'd derped and messed up mob positioning in a dungeon.

In general, CC isn't that helpful. Stunning mobs works as a decent interrupt, but it's almost never a "STUN OR DIE" situation (outside of one of the attacks in A7).

[Red_Wolf]

I've only ever encountered it once. The BLM from my FC AoE-sleep'd a pack of mobs to prevent an over-pull with an undergeared, struggling healer, because I'd derped and messed up mob positioning in a dungeon.

I think the BLM AoE sleep with an instant cast is by far the most powerful and underrated CC in the game. It could prevent a lot of wipes if used correctly. I'm guessing your FC's BLM is a skilled PvPer and had this as a keybind. Good for them, wipes suck.

[Shirayuki_Maru]

here here!
I like to use my cool downs.
I view my tank role as holding hate and mitigating damage.
So I use my cool downs because that's what I'm playing the class for.
Not actively mitigating damage would be like a DD not using damage skills or a healer not using protect.
It just seems reasonable to use them.

On dungeons, I don't save CD's for "oh poop" situations, because I'm actively preventing them by performing to my role. I may save invincible during learning runs, but I'll weave that in when I'm done learning because I like the animation and it makes for nice screenshots - which combined with glamour - is the true end game.

Why give us a super cool move, if we don't get to use it?



For savage/tankbusters, those are scripted, so a CD rotation to helps maintain a steady rate of mitigation.

overall, I use my cooldowns because that's my role, and I like to be a team player.

[HoodRat]

I think the BLM AoE sleep with an instant cast is by far the most powerful and underrated CC in the game. It could prevent a lot of wipes if used correctly.

That is correct. However...once again...as stated several times before...if people are doing what they're supposed to, CC is a waste of time (except in pvp). If they're not doing what they're supposed to, you have bigger things to worry about than using CC.

[Red_Wolf]

That is correct. However...once again...as stated several times before...if people are doing what they're supposed to, CC is a waste of time (except in pvp). If they're not doing what they're supposed to, you have bigger things to worry about than using CC.

Well those of us who join PUGs and the Leveling Roulette will just have to aspire to join your flawless dungeon instances. WTH man...

You realize this is the equivalent of arguing Benediction should not be in the game because if everyone was doing what they are supposed to then a full heal is never necessary. I'll let WHM's know using Benediction is a waste of time. Just let them die because a group wipe will teach them a lesson and that is more valuable. (sarcasm)

[SpookyGhost]

CC used to be pretty useful but then they stopped letting us sleep mobs and generally speedruns fell out of style. Silence and stun are both still good for getting rid of giant AOEs or preventing long casts (like Banish 3). Knockback is generally just an annoyance now since you only see it with Garuda or Fluid Aura being used on trash you're going to kill anyway. Heavy and Slow are largely useless though Slow has a bit more use than Heavy. The only real place you'll see CC utilized is in raids, and only in specific instances (orb phase of Brawler, heart in A7S, orbs again in A8S, other stuff from previous tiers).