tanks not using cooldowns?

[jmanfrw]

Do your job, and make the groups survival your #1 prioirty, and you'll see more tanks use cooldowns so you can DPS rather than use cooldowns because of mechanics.

When something is going to hit me for 70% of my HP, sorry, my cooldowns are being saved for that hit, not your sad DPS.

1 yes my job is to keep you alive, yours is to help me while the dps kill stuff

2 yeah... we know when that hit is coming too and that is when we save insta cast heals/ stoneskin if we can squeeze it in there, but guess what.. it wont eat 70% of your hp if you use a cd and it's ok to save one for that moment; but the cd for you abilities isn't 80% of the dungeon run time so in the meantime use them.

I'm done, now I've ranted but I don't feel like you'll listen to your teammates and play well and constructively. I suck at tank and I know that but I try which is more than you are doing atm.

not using 1/2 your abilities=not even trying

[Gameplayzero]

extreme

you must have some pretty bad luck. In all my years playing this game have I never CONSTANTLY had healers who didn't heal and just kept dpsing. Maybe healers who turned on cleric at a bad time/accident (including myself at least once), but never as bad as you make it sound.

If a healer is dpsing try to make their lives easier by using a cooldown depending on pull size. Unless you want the run to go slower (especially with bad dps players). Why punish the healers who are doing your job just because of some post traumatic stress? Maybe besides the lvl 60 roulettes, healer dps is a rarity. I typically never see healers dps unless they are overgeared scholars for low lvl'd content.

[Laraul]

I've nonstop have been getting this on expert and lower level'd dungeons. I get that expert is a joke when it comes to damage, but if you aren't stance dancing then thats somewhat lazy.

I think whining about other players performing their role adequately is a joke. Definitely rude and unhelpful.

[Laraul]

I've been tanking since 2004. When did you start tanking in games?

1991, when the multiplayer Battlezone-esc game Spectre was released for Macintosh computers. It was awesome. Needless to say multiplayer tanking has evolved substantially since then.

[Laraul]

This thread isn't helpful or providing any insight on how to actually improve at tanking. It's just one long complaint about tanks and cooldowns. I can tell you from personal experience the number one reason why I'm not performing cooldowns when I should is because they haven't reset from a prior use. And a prior use could be the result of anything. Maybe an accident or from fatigue. More likely a desperation attempt when I see my party and myself on the verge of death where upon I may pop several cool downs as a last ditch effort. Or possibly just poor timing. Doubtful anyone but the tank knows for sure. Best to make light of it and try again.

S**t happens. You don't point fingers. You do try learn from it and move on.

[Gameplayzero]

This thread isn't helpful

without sounding rude but did you read through the thread? People gave very detailed and helpful answers as to why using cooldowns is beneficial and the best time to use said cooldowns. Starting with the second post of the thread. For new tanks or tanks looking to improve I don't see how the answers provided here aren't helpful.

second you are taking my OP far out of context. I said, and I quote, "I usually tell them to use them on hard hitting mobs". Usually when I see tanks completely ignoring the use of cooldowns I politely tell them and move on. If they don't decide to listen then I'll just have to adapt and move on unless they are overall hurting the party in more ways than one. Thats when I decide to take action. All I want for them is to be at least be aware of cooldowns. Which was the point of this thread since its far more common than it should be. Mitigation is a basic and standard for tanking throughout all games. Ignoring the use of skills you constantly unlock from 30-60 is very mind boggling to me and I wanted to see other tanks opinions on the matter.

[Gameplayzero]

funnily enough you only quoted my last sentence of my post and claim from that this thread is a whine topic while completely ignoring the example I gave. Thats really the only part of the OP where I put my personal opinion into this. Overall the majority of the post didn't intend to be whiny when I made it I don't think. Its just a legit issue. Especially considering that some healers (check the healer forums to see their reactions on the matter) get rather annoyed by this since they have to put more effort than need be.

Not trying to start drama haha. Hopefully the purpose of this topic is clear now.

[Jpec07]

This thread isn't helpful or providing any insight on how to actually improve at tanking.

It's okay to vent, complain, and seek validation, you know. There are no rules saying "EVERY THREAD IN THE TANKING FORUMS MUST BE HELPFUL AND A GUIDE TO HELP PEOPLE IMPROVE TANKING IN THE FIRST POST OR IT WILL BE DELETED." People are allowed to complain, and in this case, the complaint is a very valid one.

If someone is allowed to make new threads complaining about and trying to fix problems that don't exist for a job they've never even played, a post like this is certainly acceptable. If you don't like it, just move on.

And as OP has stated, there is a metric shittonne of excellent discussion on cooldowns and their usage in the 12 pages that currently comprise this thread. No, it's not all in the first post, but it doesn't have to be, either. Might be more condensed if it was, but every post here is catalogued by Google bots, so if someone searches for FFXIV tank cooldowns, this thread is very likely to come up.

tl;dr: get off your high horse.

[SpookyGhost]

If every thread in the tanking forum needed to be helpful then we'd have like 5 threads here ever.

[Alistaire]

The other thing that's often forgotten is something called "crowd control". For whatever reason DPS doesn't feel required to learn or use it. Tanks and Healers will get blamed all night long but often a simple root can fix a lot of these issues.

The only crowd control that's worth even mentioning on this topic are stuns. The only case I can remotely think of where they're not being used appropriately are ninjas that go in viper stance for trash pulls. Which they shouldn't. But even that's a relatively minor issue. Holy is the best significant crowd control that should be used in dungeons, and even that has a time that it shouldn't be used (blood price). Sleep, bind and non-killshot knockback moves are counterproductive to killing mobs appropriately and should be avoided except in dire circumstances.