tanks not using cooldowns?

[Alistaire]

Yes, WHEN YOU KNOW 100% THAT YOUR HEALER WILL HEAL YOU WHEN NEEDED. When I get hit by a tank buster, and 1 healer is healing a dps, the off-tank isn't taunting, and the other healer is DPSing, I'm sure using those cooldowns at 90% during low damage so the healer could get some extra DPS in is going to do wonders for me when I'm a hit from being killed. So I die and we wipe, but at least I used up my self-heals and other cooldowns while I was at almost full HP because healer DPS.

Sorry, there's a strategy to using cooldowns effectively.

Iou want pug tanks using cooldowns more liberally, stop giving reasons to save them. When I drop to 10% HP and have no cooldowns to use because they're all on cooldown because you just had to do more damage, guess what, we wipe.

...and nothing of what you're saying means all healers are like that, or that it's impossible to dps as a healer without it becoming the situation you're talking about.

[rockint]

...and nothing of what you're saying means all healers are like that, or that it's impossible to dps as a healer without it becoming the situation you're talking about.

I'm not saying that they're all like that or that it's impossible to DPS without letting your tank drop... I run with a healer that does great DPS, and keeps me up perfectly fine. Someone like him, I'll use cooldowns early so that he can get some extra damage in, because I know that if something happens and I drop, he'll get me back to full, so those cooldowns don't have to be used as defensively. But with a pug where I'm consistently sitting below 50%, my cooldowns are going to be more for emergencies.

They're not intended to just blindly use them on every pull so that your healer can do more damage. With a good healer, you can get away with it... But when you drop, and have no cooldowns left and die, it's your fault for wasting your cooldowns.

[Instrumentality]

I'm not saying that they're all like that or that it's impossible to DPS without letting your tank drop... I run with a healer that does great DPS, and keeps me up perfectly fine. Someone like him, I'll use cooldowns early so that he can get some extra damage in, because I know that if something happens and I drop, he'll get me back to full, so those cooldowns don't have to be used as defensively. But with a pug where I'm consistently sitting below 50%, my cooldowns are going to be more for emergencies.

They're not intended to just blindly use them on every pull so that your healer can do more damage. With a good healer, you can get away with it... But when you drop, and have no cooldowns left and die, it's your fault for wasting your cooldowns.

What is an emergency?

[Erim-Nelhah]

...when you drop, and have no cooldowns left and die, it's your fault for wasting your cooldowns.

You just don't get it. If I pull a big enough group that it's tearing chunks outta me, I'm gonna pop Shadow Wall first, then Shadow Skin when that's about to expire (or if SW is unavailable), then other CDs if stuff isn't dead yet, regardless of what the healer's doing. By doing this, I will always live longer than you will in the same situation, also regardless of what the healer's doing. If I die despite using my CDs like that, it's either because I overpulled (oops), or because the healer wasn't doing his/her job. In the latter case, that's no excuse for me to not do mine. Something for you to consider.

--Erim Nelhah

[Anienai]

You just don't get it. If I pull a big enough group that it's tearing chunks outta me, I'm gonna pop Shadow Wall first, then Shadow Skin when that's about to expire (or if SW is unavailable), then other CDs if stuff isn't dead yet, regardless of what the healer's doing. By doing this, I will always live longer than you will in the same situation, also regardless of what the healer's doing. If I die despite using my CDs like that, it's either because I overpulled (oops), or because the healer wasn't doing his/her job. In the latter case, that's no excuse for me to not do mine. Something for you to consider.

--Erim Nelhah

Can you explain this to the ass-knight I had the pleasure of curing?

#Sirentank

[Yuni_Queen]

Can you explain this to the ass-knight I had the pleasure of curing?

I believe that's when Vote Kick can shine it's fabulous light.
There are three types of tanks:
1) I don't trust healers, I will use CDs >.>
2) I don't know what am i doing, i will pop shadow wall on 3 mob pull, so healer won't think i am noob :3
3) I AM INVINCIBLE WITH THIS POWER. SHADOW WALL? THERE IS NO PLACE ON MY HOTBARS FOR THIS SKILL.

Jokes on side, Erim made it just right. Sometimes healer is, rather than does, or pulls are badass. Cooldowns are not one-use-only, no need to hold back, use them all. I know all tanks want that.

[MeridaQ]

4) I use CDs correctly because that's what they are there for. (Good at job)

You forgot one Yuni_Queen

[Yuni_Queen]

4) I use CDs correctly because that's what they are there for. (Good at job)

xD i believe that's the first option! .__. or maybe i am just antisocial...