tanks not using cooldowns?

[Koenignovi]

I think this conversation should really just be no matter what class you are playing, learn and use your full toolset. There is use with pretty much every skill, do your best and hope your party does the same. If you get advice listen most advice is there to help.

As for tanks (war main) it troubles me to hear from FC mates that I am the easiest tank to heal and that they dread warriors in DF. Please use CDs. ;-;

I second this. Well said!

[Whiteroom]

I really don't mean for you to take offense to this, but if you're get as many complaints as you claim in your post and across your other forum posts, perhaps you should be open to the idea that you may not be correct in the context of the situation. It's generally good to be open to advice, you never know how much it could help you improve.



That cannot be farther from the truth if you actually enjoy tanking. A tank is neither a martyr nor a group's savior simply for existing; you're not doing other players a favor just for showing up. I urge players that have this mindset to hop off their pedestal, and go play a role they actually enjoy; this game does not need more tank divas.

On top of this, it doesn't seem to take that long to get a replacement anymore. So his threat really holds no water. But if he is getting that many complaints, I would rather shout to a FC mate or LS for a replacement. Or you know, run it myself. He is giving off that, I'm a super special rarity so take what you get and love it attitude.

[Janhyua]

I only use dark knight to DF lol and pray I get anti tower lmao the last area after the second boss is so good to just sprint and aoe everything

Using CD is a must or its death sentence mostly

[RocheKat]

Then you get to deal with bad DPS and can't compensate much for it anymore with the recent nerfs.

The only thing worse than a tank that doesn't pop cooldowns is 2 DPS who have no clue what they're doing.

This is the main reason I play DPS over a Tank in FFXIV. Most content can be cleared with a terrible tank and often quickly. Bad dps will either slow content way down or make it impossible.

Tanks not using Cooldowns on trash annoy me as much as ranged dps not using LBs on trash. Very few bosses in dungeons do anything really dangerous to the tank but large groups of little critters is pretty deadly and the most common reason for wipes in my experience.

[Comrade_uri]

I think this conversation should really just be no matter what class you are playing, learn and use your full toolset. There is use with pretty much every skill, do your best and hope your party does the same. If you get advice listen most advice is there to help.

As for tanks (war main) it troubles me to hear from FC mates that I am the easiest tank to heal and that they dread warriors in DF. Please use CDs. ;-;

I get the same thing, been told it's like I have adamantium skin and only take lots of damage when I want to XD

Sadly though they mention PLD and DRK as being just as guilty, one tank going as far as to say you only use CD's when near death.

[Ironos]

I actually had a scholar ask if they could just send Eos away and full time DPS since I was (apparently) mitigating/self-healing so well. Felt good, and obviously they didn't actually do it. What I gathered from that is some healers actually appreciate me using cooldowns. As a tank, I try to make my party's job, and by extension my job, as easy as possible. Besides, as countless people have said before me, why would you not use your cooldowns? Barring any need to save them for a TB/high damage phase.

[rockint]

Basically your behavior is causing you to see the worse in healers causing a vicious cycle where we perform poorly or in untrustworthy ways (letting your hp drop so you actually use your so called "emergency" cooldowns) which only fosters your distrust of healers.

OR, it's hard to catch up because the healer hasn't cast a single heal the entire pull because OMGIGOTTADPS. Healers like that are why so many tanks use their cooldowns REACTIVELY.

Tanks are NOT 100% self-sufficient on our cooldowns, we need to be healed. Even with that damage reduction from Vengeance, I'm still going to die if you don't do your job and actually cast heals on me.

Do your job, and make the groups survival your #1 prioirty, and you'll see more tanks use cooldowns so you can DPS rather than use cooldowns because of mechanics.

When something is going to hit me for 70% of my HP, sorry, my cooldowns are being saved for that hit, not your sad DPS.

[Jpec07]

OR, it's hard to catch up because the healer hasn't cast a single heal the entire pull because OMGIGOTTADPS. Healers like that are why so many tanks use their cooldowns REACTIVELY.

Tanks are NOT 100% self-sufficient on our cooldowns, we need to be healed. Even with that damage reduction from Vengeance, I'm still going to die if you don't do your job and actually cast heals on me.

Do your job, and make the groups survival your #1 prioirty, and you'll see more tanks use cooldowns so you can DPS rather than use cooldowns because of mechanics.

When something is going to hit me for 70% of my HP, sorry, my cooldowns are being saved for that hit, not your sad DPS.

I think we're all on the same page here:

• Healers who don't drop Cleric Stance to heal when it is clearly needed are not performing adequately in their role.
• A healer's primary role is keeping everyone alive. If they can do that and have time to spare (say, if Regen/Medica II is keeping everyone topped off), they can jump into Cleric Stance and throw out some DoTs, and maybe Holy/Stone II/III, if they've got plenty of room.
• If a healer is DPSing while the group is dying, they are not performing adequately in their jobs.
• All the cooldowns in the world (except maybe Hallowed Ground) are not going to enable a healer to not heal the tank/group.
• Tanks who blow all their CDs during periods of low damage are not performing optimally.
• Big cooldowns should be saved for big damage.

I think the disconnect is in people's assumptions, and the things people aren't saying. I doubt rockint would advocate not using smaller cooldowns at the start of a pull; they just seem disgruntled at the attitude where healers expect to be able to DPS and get upset when they can't. Cooldowns make the healer's job easier, which is really why tanks exist at all (it focuses the incoming damage on one point to give them somewhere to focus their energy), but healers should still be healing primarily (unless they're a Scholar in pre-30 content. Then the fairy does literally everything).

[Red_Wolf]

etc...

The other thing that's often forgotten is something called "crowd control". For whatever reason DPS doesn't feel required to learn or use it. Tanks and Healers will get blamed all night long but often a simple root can fix a lot of these issues.

[jmanfrw]

OR, it's hard to catch up because the healer hasn't cast a single heal the entire pull because OMGIGOTTADPS. Healers like that are why so many tanks use their cooldowns REACTIVELY.

I'll say this that since I main Healer I rarely work with other healers because as a WHM I am main heals in raids.

But while my tank classes are still only getting the 40's (leveling in sync so they can share gear) I trust my healers and cycle my cool-downs as best I can (which could be better but...) and cannot remember a time when I ran into a healer not healing me. Healers generally, I repeat generally know how low a tank can get in a particular dungeon and if we don't we over-heal until we do. Yeah it's scary to see my hp drop but I know as a healer that we have all of our instant heals in mind [a lot are free ]