tanks not using cooldowns?

[Jpec07]

This thread isn't helpful or providing any insight on how to actually improve at tanking.

It's okay to vent, complain, and seek validation, you know. There are no rules saying "EVERY THREAD IN THE TANKING FORUMS MUST BE HELPFUL AND A GUIDE TO HELP PEOPLE IMPROVE TANKING IN THE FIRST POST OR IT WILL BE DELETED." People are allowed to complain, and in this case, the complaint is a very valid one.

If someone is allowed to make new threads complaining about and trying to fix problems that don't exist for a job they've never even played, a post like this is certainly acceptable. If you don't like it, just move on.

And as OP has stated, there is a metric shittonne of excellent discussion on cooldowns and their usage in the 12 pages that currently comprise this thread. No, it's not all in the first post, but it doesn't have to be, either. Might be more condensed if it was, but every post here is catalogued by Google bots, so if someone searches for FFXIV tank cooldowns, this thread is very likely to come up.

tl;dr: get off your high horse.

[Gameplayzero]

funnily enough you only quoted my last sentence of my post and claim from that this thread is a whine topic while completely ignoring the example I gave. Thats really the only part of the OP where I put my personal opinion into this. Overall the majority of the post didn't intend to be whiny when I made it I don't think. Its just a legit issue. Especially considering that some healers (check the healer forums to see their reactions on the matter) get rather annoyed by this since they have to put more effort than need be.

Not trying to start drama haha. Hopefully the purpose of this topic is clear now.

[SpookyGhost]

If every thread in the tanking forum needed to be helpful then we'd have like 5 threads here ever.

[Joe_Schmoe]

tanks not using cooldowns?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ooAwesomeToUse, but for cooldowns instead.

I'm exactly like this. I have to have complete faith and trust in my group (running duty finder is the like casting Hasty Touch, and if you're running with a pre-made add Steady Hand to that ) in order to use these, especially liberally. There's also the fact that I mad rushed to Heavensward, going in blind on all the dungeons/trials, so I have no idea if there are ideal places where CDs are best used. I definitely get that they should be used at the start of an encounter and not the end, it's the during and the afterwards that makes me skittish.

[kobe-sabi]

I love tanking, it gets me in quick, plus it really easy to do. having all this extra Vit, makes dumb tanks think you can just spam heals to keep me top off. Having 24k to 32k hp doesn't make you harder to kill, cause every mob and boss hits harder in this patch. I also love healing, I think all tanks should heal, so they can see that spamming heals do nothing, but deplete mp quickly and gain unnecessary aggro from inexperience tanks.

[Jpec07]

CC is only somewhat viable in this game, and encounters aren't designed around it. Some jobs can Sleep enemies, but in general, there aren't any instances where that would really be needed. Dungeons don't output enough damage, and don't have enough dangerous single mobs to require that sort of thing (outside of maybe Stone Vigil or Aurum Vale). Really, any mitigation provided by CC is generally not going to be anywhere near as effective at mitigating damage as will be killing it faster (especially with how indiscriminate AoE spells are).

[Yuni_Queen]

Ok, i am thinking and thinking, but i cant remind myself any skill that has abb.: "CC". It's not Cleric Stance rite?

[HoodRat]

Ok, i am thinking and thinking, but i cant remind myself any skill that has abb.: "CC". It's not Cleric Stance rite?

It stands for crowd control. It's basically temporarily removing enemies from a fight, however in this game they're only useful in pvp.

[Yuni_Queen]

Oh right, all clear. thnx for clarifying that.

Indeed, there are some cases when push away, bind, sleep works quite good, but there is a need of understanding between party members, which can be found rather during TS speaks - simply put, pre-made parties - rather than common DF parties.
Thou it cannot be discarded right away, despite the fact, tank will probably use overpower/unleash two-three times on already sleeping targets by accident or to simply hold aggro better. in low level dungeons however it works like charm. I don't know how high-level dungeons actually, never bothered with wasting 2.5 sec for sleeping something :P

[Yuni_Queen]

Why do we think about CC as something we should weave into rotation?

It's a kinda "Oh shit!" button rather than actually something that should be used on daily basis, otherwise blizzard 3 would have sleep on it, to make sure, that each good BLM is using it.

While it is too much to say that sleep, bind etc. is useless, its simply problematic and inconvenient in usage.

Is stun a CC? if yes, why paladin just not use shield bash for the life? ^ That's why lol.
In level 60 dun - iirc - sleep has no effect and i believe for a reason.
It would be probably too OP and that means it is usefull.

However in places, that sleep can be used, why people use it?
As someone mentioned already, it is becuase healer/tank had to go afk to pick up child from the floor, or to wipe the keyboard from tea they just spilled, or because they DC'd.

Cool, nice, but don't use it too often.