Quote Originally Posted by Malicewolf View Post
Snip
ok, lets take things one step at a time

First, duality aeolian edge cannot crit, thats a given.
So in your original post saying you get 2 chances at AE crit during TA doesn't work

Second, your data comparing your rotation and the standard TA rotation, purely speaking from GCD damage
your rotation included 5 weaponskills in TA plus dots outside of TA. comparing damage from 7 gcds vs 5 gcds does not really make any point, that's all i was saying in the first part of my post
In fact I do appreciate you going through and getting solid numbers and seeing how dots are snapshotted

If the point of your comparison is to see whether getting a crit single AE within TA + non crit DAE is worth more than using the dots within TA
Then I will admit I did not read carefully enough to see that argument before posting, which I apologize
But we cannot control if it crits or not.
Based on your own numbers, the standard rotation did more damage than your double AE rotation during TA
If your first AE crits, it may work out similarly, but rotations aren't built on whether something crits or not.
Quite the contrary, we assume that rng is against us and nothing crits, then we plan out the route where it would do most damage even without crits.
While it is an interesting test, I would say, based on my experience as a ninja main, betting on a crit AE during TA is not worth dropping your dots outside TA

Also I believe i explicitly stated that, i'm not trying to, using your words, be a jerk about it. I don't believe I used any "i say because she said" arguments either, all the points I'm making are from my personal experience and observation.
Now what do you want me to show you? I can easily record myself doing A6S SSS dummy with my current gear, or I can try to replicate your gear and do a SSS dummy of your choice for rotation comparison, but of course crit will affect the results.

and one more thing, there actually is a crit chance and damage formula from early 3.0, found here https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/2015/...ulae/#more-137

finally some clarifications
yes, i am still only "telling" you things based off my personal experience as nin main, I don't know what i can "show" you as of the moment to convince you, as you state yourself that you do not parse and our gear difference is rather large, i question what purpose showing my 1640 dps over 3min dummy parse will serve to this exchange, aside from potentially getting myself banned for evidence of parsing.
and hopefully i'm not coming off as a jerk to you, i appreciate your effort in collecting the data. do let me know what do you want me to show you