Repair NPCs in Dungeons

[Eidolon]

Newsflash :3 You only need your crafters to level 50 in order to repair level 60 gear, and you don't need all crafting professions if you don't intend to actually craft stuff. Sure, if you want to be able to meld stuff yourself, you'd need to get the relevant crafts to 60, but not for repairs. The road from 1 to 50 is a lot shorter than 1 to 60, potentially even shorter than 50-60. For me personally, it took quite a long time, but then again I didn't pay attention to it every day, and if stuff was too expensive on the MB I left it alone and hoped for a better hand-in the next day.

Good job completely ingoirng one of the major points: The time investment for the most casual of players.



Let's say they take your advice, and do vendors/etc instead of buying from the MB. Those items are gonna be NQ. Vendors don't sell HQ, the exception being the recent Eso mats and level 60 Favor mats.

Now, each GC turn in, is the equivelent of 1/4th of a level. An HQ turn in with bonus is wroth about a level (this is IIRC from doing this same thing myself.)

So, doing it as HQ via MB: 50 days (Funny you think that saving 10 days is the big deciding factor, when it's still near-2 MONTHS to do this.)
Doing it NQ via Whatever: 200 days ( Nearly a year, again, my major point is that casual players won't want to do this.)

So, congratulations, your point is still completely invalid because it's not an effective strategy for anyone. And it leaves people who are trying to build their characters up for the next half a year at the mercy of their own potential forgetfulness, so it solves nothing.

Also, not all stuff on the MB are from crafters. Some are stuff retainers brought back. And some of them sell for a lot less than you'd pay a vendor. And don't forget the Ixali quests, which add a fair bit of exp in addition to the GC hand-ins (and again, can be done through only the hand-in quest if you don't want to gear up to actually craft the items). And you can do leves, especially if you have a crafter friend who's willing to craft the stuff for you, either for free or if you bring them the mats.

Not all stuff is on MB, but all things for turn ins can be made by crafters. This is why the majority of the ones that are HQ will likely have been made by the hands of a crafter.

Building a levekit also is a limited means method; you can do one roughly every... You get 12 levels a day, so I wanna say that's 5 levels a day, but that (unlike GC) is extremely limited (Particularly to one Tradeskill at a time.)

It's not a salespitch. It's just several people trying to give advice on how to level crafting classes without needing to actually craft. Time or money or effort is pretty much the cost. Since "effort" was discarded pretty much from the get-go ("I don't like crafting!"), the amount of "time" or "money" is going to have to go up.

Someone spending money on repairs should be the investment, not money into the Marketboard, and not money into anything else. If someone would prefer to use the gil they make from fighting to repair their gear made from fighting, that should be their choice - and having contingencies for mistakes that can come up in dungouns (Such as not remember to repair beforehand) helps protect the whole party.

...Or, you know, remember to repair before going in. It's not really that difficult to have a slot dedicated to grade 6 Dark Matter, stocking up on it when you notice you're beginning to run low.

This is great foresight and hindsight, but in the cold light of revelation that your tank just lost half his HP because his crap broke and he's now tanking with what amounts to his base stats, it's very little consolation for a party that finds themselves in this scenario.

To be honest, this suggestion is sounding a lot like, "I can't remember the rules of the game, so we need to change the rules to make it easier for me to play the game." If you can't remember to repair before going into a dungeon, and can't be bothered to level up crafters to be able to self-repair wherever you are -- and if you have, can't remember to bring the necessary item to do so (dark matter)... I'm starting to think that maybe it's not the game's fault. (General 'you' in this paragraph, not any specific person.)

No, this is a "People are human and make mistakes. LEt's give them a way to fix it so that they won't wind up screwing over 3 other people, wheather that person is me or someone else."

Again, imagine one of these NPC's in T13? Where would it even go? On a platform SE would have to create and insert into an already implemented dungeon?

And again, stop using disabilities as an excuse to enforce your argument. If a disability causes someone to forget to repair their gear that much that they need a mender inside a dungeon, how are they going to remember fights in the first place? Unless they have some sort of selective memory?

This is a scenario I would concede, and is a reason why I've specified that it would be for dungouns, not raids. I can respect not doing it in raids, because if you're going into a raid, that's part of raid prep. Dungouns, however, are casual content. Raids, unfortunately, would require such a streatch (Especially, as cited, on Bahamut, outside of a Hydalen-type crystal that repairs, but even that's a bit of a streatch for me to say) in order to make an actuality. I dislike it.

But for dungouns? It's very easy to add, lore wise.

[Suirieko]

Way to not read context. I never said I'd purposely do it. There's no way I could even purposely do it since I don't know who I'm going to end up with in a group. Use common sense.

Oh for.. Hell, if it's even a tank, they could just disband (Or we could vote kick) and they repair, and then re-queue by doing "Join a duty in progress" it doesn't change the fact that the mistake is on them, and not on anyone else. It's a responsibility.

Who says memory loss doesn't happen as a result of disabilities?

Also, the pages and pages of people gloating to me about how they never forget is also quite rude and unnecessary.

Memory loss can be a disability, which is why there's numerous ways to overcome that, which I suggested earlier.

I highly doubt this change would require a lot of time on SE's part. But I understand change and emulating other MMOs' good choices isn't really welcomed around here, so I know I'm fighting an uphill battle.

Have you even done programming? sometimes even the simple request could be extremely complicated.

It's probably why we can't even repair other people's stuff, like we used to in 1.0. I said it before, I'll say it again, I would wholeheartedly welcome the ability to repair other people's gears.

[Suirieko]

You know what I'll even welcome a "repair kit" items to repair your shit anytime, anywhere rather than Menders in dungeons.

[Lexia]

And for god's sake, you're still insisting that my forgetfulness and not always remembering to repair is my own fault and gloating about how it's not a problem you have. You've been offending me since your first post here, I actually have memory issues

Why does one of your main defenses rely so heavily on you forgetfulness? Maybe you need to work on that and try to be more conscious of your gear. People have given you options of how to overcome your issues but you seem to reject them all and still think adding a NPC to dungeon is the only solution.

[Noxifer]

Who says memory loss doesn't happen as a result of disabilities?

Also, the pages and pages of people gloating to me about how they never forget is also quite rude and unnecessary.

I'd like to point out that I have disabilities that bring with them a very flawed mid-term memory (as well as short-term memory, in case I forget *cough* to take my medication). I've had moments in games when I've been grinding for a particular monster drop. I go into the menu to check how many I have. "Ok, 13, need 7 more." Exit the menu, take five steps, pause. "Err... How many did I have again?" Repeat six or seven times before I either give up, use my flatmate to help me remember, or realize I haven't taken my medicine that day.

Do I forget to repair? Yes, it has happened. But thanks to me also being an equipment hoarder (like you mentioned you are), there's almost always something else I can put on. So what if it's 50 ilvls lower. It's better than a broken item, no? So what if it's a DEX accessory instead of a VIT? It's still got some relevant secondary stats.
Self-repairs was one of the best things that was added (restored?) to this game, and the whole not needing to change to your crafter class to do so. Nowadays, I'm almost paranoid about my gear on my main, repairing them as soon as I see the bar no longer being full (i.e. durability's slipped below 100%). It's horrible to log onto an alt who can't do self-repairs, and running around with my gear at 40% makes me feel like they're already broken.

And should I forget to repair... guess what, that's my fault. For not being careful enough when I know I have issues with remembering things unless I think about them or manage to turn them from conscious decisions into habits. Disabilities don't automatically mean you don't need to make an effort. To continue your crass comparison with a blind person... A blind person wouldn't really go out into traffic without any aids, whether that be a cane or a dog, or even a human assistant. Likewise if you have a disability that brings with it a flawed memory, you kind of have a responsibility to do your best to compensate for it. Does it work all the time? No, of course not. That's when you try to find other methods that work more reliably.

[Suirieko]

And for god's sake, you're still insisting that my forgetfulness and not always remembering to repair is my own fault and gloating about how it's not a problem you have. You've been offending me since your first post here, I actually have memory issues

Never did gloated. In fact, in the past, especially in 1.0 I've had problems with forgetting to repair my stuff every now and then, and I overcame this by carrying an extra weapons. (since back then if your weapon brokes you couldn't do shit) 1.0 was just completely terrible because I didn't have my gears repaired. When they introduced the whole "set up request flag to repair your gears" it became so much more helpful. All I had to do was to stand around in Ul'dah, and someone would repair my stuff within 5 minutes.

In 2.0, I overcame this by leveling my crafts, and when SE introduced the whole "repair your stuff even when you're not on your crafting job" was a god send, meaning I can actually repair my stuff in dungeons and trials, and anytime and anywhere, as long as I had the dark matters.

[Adire]

Memory loss can be a disability, which is why there's numerous ways to overcome that, which I suggested earlier.
Have you even done programming? sometimes even the simple request could be extremely complicated.
It's probably why we can't even repair other people's stuff, like we used to in 1.0. I said it before, I'll say it again, I would wholeheartedly welcome the ability to repair other people's gears.

I don't use a cell phone, I don't queue with friends, and I'm not going to clutter my PC with post it notes as if this game is some kind of job. I usually have my stuff repaired anyways, I don't forget often enough to justify doing that. The entire event that triggered this post was someone else forgetting and costing our group 30 minutes of our lives, not me forgetting.

And yes, I have programmed. But it doesn't take a programmer to realize that this would be easier to do than some of the much more unimportant things SE does already with every patch. If something this simple is a big workload for their programmers, then they may need new programmers.

I'm pretty convinced that we don't have this or what you're suggesting because QoL improvements have never been high on SE's to do list. I could list for pages the number of annoying things in the game that need to be improved, from the buff reset thing I mentioned earlier to not being able to do anything with 1 menu open.

Why does one of your main defenses rely so heavily on you forgetfulness? Maybe you need to work on that and try to be more conscious of your gear. People have given you options of how to overcome your issues but you seem to reject them all and still think adding a NPC to dungeon is the only solution.

Why do your posts have to constantly remind me that you know more about my forgetfulness than I do? As mentioned above, it's not even just about my own forgetfulness. The event that triggered this topic for me is someone else's forgetfulness, not my own.

I never said it's the only solution, I've simply said it's something I would appreciate having as I greatly appreciated having it in my previous MMO.

[Eidolon]

Oh for.. Hell, if it's even a tank, they could just disband (Or we could vote kick) and they repair, and then re-queue by doing "Join a duty in progress" it doesn't change the fact that the mistake is on them, and not on anyone else. It's a responsibility.

Wrong! Tanks are no longer allowed to Join in Progress anymore, thus they are effectively removed from the duty and you just have to hope to get a new one

Editted for correctness: Players are not allowed to Join in progress* after being kicked.

It's probably why we can't even repair other people's stuff, like we used to in 1.0. I said it before, I'll say it again, I would wholeheartedly welcome the ability to repair other people's gears.

That'd be cool with me, but they should make it two pronged: Don't give just crafters benefits. Add the NPC and add the ability to repair eachother's gear, and when you get it from another player, allow it to go over 100% (thus making it more desirable than an NPC.)


Forgive me for only quoting two parts, I don't disagre with the middle. I feel, however, that SE is skilled enough to program. "It's too hard" shouldn't be ar eason we as consume accept.

[Suirieko]

Wrong! Tanks are no longer allowed to Join in Progress anymore, thus they are effectively removed from the duty and you just have to hope to get a new one

Welp. Guess they'll have to make sure their stuff is repaired fully next time so this awkward situation doesn't happen again.

[Lexia]

Why do your posts have to constantly remind me that you know more about my forgetfulness than I do?

Because large majority of your posts use that as a reason why your request should be added.