Bard in the party... thoughts?

[Berethos]

I'll have to double check when I get home from work (unless someone wants to check on their own before then) but I'm reasonably certain that the last major patch changed it to only remove detrimental effects, not put a buff up as well that had the same functionality as before.

Tested, and this one of those moments where I'm wondering how I didn't notice it before.

As ruskie said, it does both - removes a current detrimental effect and adds the shield for 30s that automatically removes the next one. That's actually silly good, in my opinion. I like it, but it's silly good.

[Dubah]

Dunno, I'm on Marlboro too, we seem to have a lot of people wandering into content and doing like 200 dps. Anyone can be bottom of the chain lol.
The example you gave is just a scrub player, you can't generalize a class on one specific thing that happened once

The reason I used BRDs is because that seems to be the most common one. I have played with 1 good bard so far. Out of the many I've grouped with. I can't say Bards are the only one, especially after tonight. I think I'm done with DF because it always puts me with another crappy dps, leaving me to do all the work, which im ok with. Until Niddhogg prisons me and I can't even fight it. Then the crappy dps really shines, or doesn't....

[Tsilyi]

The reason I used BRDs is because that seems to be the most common one.

Are you willing to consider that your feelings on this issue may be confirmation bias? I have done nearly two thousand instances across several characters on various jobs and roles and have not noticed one particular job doing better or worse in general.

[ruskie]

Tested, and this one of those moments where I'm wondering how I didn't notice it before.

As ruskie said, it does both - removes a current detrimental effect and adds the shield for 30s that automatically removes the next one. That's actually silly good, in my opinion. I like it, but it's silly good.

Hahahaha. Yeah it is that's why it has a 45s CD.

Used it in VA a few times after the changes - removed the thunder in VA first boss and then it had just enough duration to prevent the next one.
You could even handle throttle in a3s with it now if done properly - esuna the first one on you and if RNG marks you again it also deals with the second one.

[Dubah]

Are you willing to consider that your feelings on this issue may be confirmation bias? I have done nearly two thousand instances across several characters on various jobs and roles and have not noticed one particular job doing better or worse in general.

Lol I wouldn't consider this a bias, and I'm not saying at all that at any given point any DPS can suck. What I'm getting at is that at this point, if you can't DPS as a bard, even if it's just as best as you can, then there is a problem. I dread bards at first because like i said, so far only 1 has actually shined, of the many I've grouped with. So everytime I see a bard, i assume the worst but hope the for best.

[AskaRay]

Lol I wouldn't consider this a bias, and I'm not saying at all that at any given point any DPS can suck. What I'm getting at is that at this point, if you can't DPS as a bard, even if it's just as best as you can, then there is a problem. I dread bards at first because like i said, so far only 1 has actually shined, of the many I've grouped with. So everytime I see a bard, i assume the worst but hope the for best.

Problem for me is, whenever I see a bard I hold them to a higher standard than normal, since it's my job and it's what I play.
For that particular standard it's rare to get a bard that good but...................normally? Honestly most bards I see are fine. I've only ran into a few really really bad ones.

[Dubah]

Problem for me is, whenever I see a bard I hold them to a higher standard than normal, since it's my job and it's what I play.
For that particular standard it's rare to get a bard that good but...................normally? Honestly most bards I see are fine. I've only ran into a few really really bad ones.

I must have the worst luck with BRD's then, because like i've said before, I've only played with 1 really good one, the others were either decent or for the most part, just horrible. IDK what the deal is. I'm hoping tho now that I'm 60 and running 60 dungeons the standards will increase.

[Thorauku]

I must have the worst luck with BRD's then, because like i've said before, I've only played with 1 really good one, the others were either decent or for the most part, just horrible. IDK what the deal is. I'm hoping tho now that I'm 60 and running 60 dungeons the standards will increase.

What are you criterias in determining if they're "Good", "Decent", or "Bad"? Seeing that you don't own one.

[Aomine1992]

I must have the worst luck with BRD's then, because like i've said before, I've only played with 1 really good one, the others were either decent or for the most part, just horrible. IDK what the deal is. I'm hoping tho now that I'm 60 and running 60 dungeons the standards will increase.

I used to hate seeing BRDs too until I started playing BRD and imo you have to actually be some kind of good to play ranged cause their dps is lower due to the support factor but also this is just me but I don't really like the up time down time thing, like after my opening....I'm kind of a sitting duck so God forbid I do my opening and adds pop up after XD

[Dubah]

What are you criterias in determining if they're "Good", "Decent", or "Bad"? Seeing that you don't own one.

If the bard can break the prison nidhogg puts me in, he is decent lol, that's all i ask is that people know their job enough to perform mechanics. And that prison isn't hard to break, my ninja can break it without even trying very hard. I'm not an elitist that's for sure, so if you want to play perfect, good on you, but I just expect people to be able to do the mechanics because that is a requirement for any dungeon, after that there is nothing I look too. And I understand ninja is a lot more burst than BRD, but I have seen bards that can break that prison, so you can't tell me it isn't doable.