Bard in the party... thoughts?

[RiceisNice]

@RiceisNice

Are you drunk? I think I probably mentionned the DPS gap like once or maybe twice if you count the moment I have bring concrete proof of that DPS gap, after that we just discussed about it without really pointing it.

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But the fact that they are almost clone classes bring the real problem when you look at the DPS Gap, since MCH is holding it's place near BLM and SMN, is MCH a support DPS or a High DPS class.
You can't have both, currently MCH got both, THIS is where the problem is!

You're still bringing it up in your problem example, nor is it even entirely validated like I've been saying because you keep trying to bring it up as a comparison to what they can bring to the table. There's a discrepancy because you're looking at comparisons that's consistently skewed toward MCH in either clear times, buffs or both. An average MCH certainly is not pulling the numbers that an average melee/caster would be. Your point rests entirely on the fact that MCH can do both high dps comparable to a melee/caster (which isn't completely true) and support, while bard is delegated to the latter. It always comes back to your perspective of how MCH brings more to the party than a BRD does (including damage), at least that's what I'm getting.

As far as fights are concerned, that will always be the case and it's been the other way around since 3.0-3.1; during at which time their personal dps and party dps was still lower than that of a BRD. But that still wasn't a good excuse for them to exclude MCH out of groups (much like how it's not a good excuse now to exclude BRD). This has always been the case for the melees and casters, but at this point they've also dealed with it. It's entirely new to BRD because they have been the uncontested job role for the entity of 2.x, and arguably for 3.0-3.1 since they were superior to MCH for min/maxing under normal circumstances (esp when the name of the game was dps checks(